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1. Date: 2008-11-27 13:06:48
Subject: Another "Sucker" Rally
From: Marcus Aurelius <a...@h...com> Search message by this author

The increasing volatility in the market indicies is extremely
perplexing to investors. T
But the recent rally does not signify a bottom to the indicies.
Rather it indicates two factors: 1. The covering of short sale
positions; and, 2. the strategic, tactical, and psychological
preparation for a final panic sell off over about the next month and a
half.
After the same, of course, the bottom of the current bear market will
be reached as there being significantly diminished volume and
volatitlity concommitant with the inaurguration of a new US Presiden
and new US Congress validating that a market bottom has been reached.

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2. Date: 2008-11-27 14:00:51
Subject: Re: Another "Sucker" Rally
From: "Uncle_vito" <u...@y...com> Search message by this author

Spoken by a bagholder who just missed out on a great runup. Ever hear of
Santa Claus rally? Also, if I can remember correctly, Thanksgiving week has
typically been good for stocks. I don't care if it is a bottom. Gains is
gains. $$$.

What is the quote? Those who fail to remember history are doomed to repeat
it. That goes for good stuff too. Hope it continues to repeat.

Vito


"Marcus Aurelius" <a...@h...com> wrote in message
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> The increasing volatility in the market indicies is extremely
> perplexing to investors. T
> But the recent rally does not signify a bottom to the indicies.
> Rather it indicates two factors: 1. The covering of short sale
> positions; and, 2. the strategic, tactical, and psychological
> preparation for a final panic sell off over about the next month and a
> half.
> After the same, of course, the bottom of the current bear market will
> be reached as there being significantly diminished volume and
> volatitlity concommitant with the inaurguration of a new US Presiden
> and new US Congress validating that a market bottom has been reached.


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3. Date: 2008-11-27 14:15:38
Subject: Re: Another "Sucker" Rally
From: John Galt <k...@g...com> Search message by this author

Uncle_vito wrote:
> Spoken by a bagholder who just missed out on a great runup. Ever hear of
> Santa Claus rally? Also, if I can remember correctly, Thanksgiving week has
> typically been good for stocks. I don't care if it is a bottom. Gains is
> gains. $$$.
>
> What is the quote? Those who fail to remember history are doomed to repeat
> it. That goes for good stuff too. Hope it continues to repeat.
>
> Vito

All bear market rallies are sucker's rallies -- until the one that's not.

JG


>
>
> "Marcus Aurelius" <a...@h...com> wrote in message
> news:4b3a1b16-4d30-4bef-a4fa-c5fd49772eae@g38g2000yq
n.googlegroups.com...
>> The increasing volatility in the market indicies is extremely
>> perplexing to investors. T
>> But the recent rally does not signify a bottom to the indicies.
>> Rather it indicates two factors: 1. The covering of short sale
>> positions; and, 2. the strategic, tactical, and psychological
>> preparation for a final panic sell off over about the next month and a
>> half.
>> After the same, of course, the bottom of the current bear market will
>> be reached as there being significantly diminished volume and
>> volatitlity concommitant with the inaurguration of a new US Presiden
>> and new US Congress validating that a market bottom has been reached.
>
>

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4. Date: 2008-11-27 15:02:32
Subject: Re: Another "Sucker" Rally
From: Tony <T...@T...Sandwich> Search message by this author

True bear markets unlike the one in 1987 end in no volume or diminishing
volume where the volume figures take that last sharp drop then the volume
trudges along the bottom. This bear market bottom could be as far out as
2012.

Marcus Aurelius wrote:

> The increasing volatility in the market indicies is extremely
> perplexing to investors. T
> But the recent rally does not signify a bottom to the indicies.
> Rather it indicates two factors: 1. The covering of short sale
> positions; and, 2. the strategic, tactical, and psychological
> preparation for a final panic sell off over about the next month and a
> half.
> After the same, of course, the bottom of the current bear market will
> be reached as there being significantly diminished volume and
> volatitlity concommitant with the inaurguration of a new US Presiden
> and new US Congress validating that a market bottom has been reached.

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5. Date: 2008-11-27 15:04:23
Subject: Re: Another "Sucker" Rally
From: Tony <T...@T...Sandwich> Search message by this author

My guess is the rally will take the DJIA to 9640 from there the typical
three day runup at the start of January next year then the real bear will
grip the market taking the DJIA down to the 5,800 area.

Marcus Aurelius wrote:

> The increasing volatility in the market indicies is extremely
> perplexing to investors. T
> But the recent rally does not signify a bottom to the indicies.
> Rather it indicates two factors: 1. The covering of short sale
> positions; and, 2. the strategic, tactical, and psychological
> preparation for a final panic sell off over about the next month and a
> half.
> After the same, of course, the bottom of the current bear market will
> be reached as there being significantly diminished volume and
> volatitlity concommitant with the inaurguration of a new US Presiden
> and new US Congress validating that a market bottom has been reached.

--
The Grandmaster of the CyberFROG

Come get your ticket to CyberFROG city

Nay, Art thou decideth playeth ye simpleton games. *Some* of us know
proper manners

Very few. I used to take calls from *rank* noobs,

Hamster isn't a newsreader it's a mistake!

El-Gonzo Jackson FROGS both me and Chuckcar

Master Juba was a black man imitating a white man imitating a black man

Using my technical prowess and computer abilities to answer questions
beyond the realm of understandability

Regards Tony... Making usenet better for everyone everyday


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6. Date: 2008-11-27 18:56:18
Subject: Re: Another "Sucker" Rally
From: "Uncle_vito" <u...@y...com> Search message by this author

We shall see. Place your bets folks.

Happy turkey day. My smoked turkey is at 155 degrees. Only needs to get to
170 and I can have at it.

Dang, I am talking about my turkey as if it were a stock. I need a drink.

Happy turkey day to all. Do not worry about the market. You can see my
point when you realize that it is only money. Be thankful for your health.
How many truely sick people would gladly give all their wealth to be healthy
again.

Then there is Buffethater.....

Vito


"Tony" <T...@T...Sandwich> wrote in message
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> My guess is the rally will take the DJIA to 9640 from there the typical
> three day runup at the start of January next year then the real bear will
> grip the market taking the DJIA down to the 5,800 area.
>
> Marcus Aurelius wrote:
>
>> The increasing volatility in the market indicies is extremely
>> perplexing to investors. T
>> But the recent rally does not signify a bottom to the indicies.
>> Rather it indicates two factors: 1. The covering of short sale
>> positions; and, 2. the strategic, tactical, and psychological
>> preparation for a final panic sell off over about the next month and a
>> half.
>> After the same, of course, the bottom of the current bear market will
>> be reached as there being significantly diminished volume and
>> volatitlity concommitant with the inaurguration of a new US Presiden
>> and new US Congress validating that a market bottom has been reached.
>
> --
> The Grandmaster of the CyberFROG
>
> Come get your ticket to CyberFROG city
>
> Nay, Art thou decideth playeth ye simpleton games. *Some* of us know
> proper manners
>
> Very few. I used to take calls from *rank* noobs,
>
> Hamster isn't a newsreader it's a mistake!
>
> El-Gonzo Jackson FROGS both me and Chuckcar
>
> Master Juba was a black man imitating a white man imitating a black man
>
> Using my technical prowess and computer abilities to answer questions
> beyond the realm of understandability
>
> Regards Tony... Making usenet better for everyone everyday
>
>


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7. Date: 2008-11-27 20:49:37
Subject: Re: Another "Sucker" Rally
From: phil scott <p...@p...net> Search message by this author

On Nov 27, 5:06 am, Marcus Aurelius <a...@h...com> wrote:
> The increasing volatility in the market indicies is extremely
> perplexing to investors. T
> But the recent rally does not signify a bottom to the indicies.
> Rather it indicates two factors: 1. The covering of short sale
> positions; and, 2. the strategic, tactical, and psychological
> preparation for a final panic sell off over about the next month and a
> half.
> After the same, of course, the bottom of the current bear market will
> be reached as there being significantly diminished volume and
> volatitlity concommitant with the inaurguration of a new US Presiden
> and new US Congress validating that a market bottom has been reached.


thats close imo...but no telling with the PPT involved...

re the 'bottom'..when it hits 2500 on the dow I will believe we hit
bottom, that is with bread at its current prices....

if bread doubles, then of course the bottom is higher 5,000 or so...
funny money and all that... fools a lot of people, especially
investors.





Phil scott

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8. Date: 2008-11-27 20:52:42
Subject: Re: Another "Sucker" Rally
From: phil scott <p...@p...net> Search message by this author

On Nov 27, 6:00 am, "Uncle_vito" <u...@y...com> wrote:
> Spoken by a bagholder who just missed out on a great runup.  Ever hear of
> Santa Claus rally?  Also, if I can remember correctly, Thanksgiving week has
> typically been good for stocks.   I don't care if it is  a bottom.  Gains is
> gains.  $$$.
>
> What is the quote?   Those who fail to remember history are doomed to repeat
> it.  That goes for good stuff too.  Hope it continues to repeat.
>
> Vito
>
> "Marcus Aurelius" <a...@h...com> wrote in message
>
> news:4b3a1b16-4d30-4bef-a4fa-c5fd49772eae@g38g2000yq
n.googlegroups.com...
>
>
>
> > The increasing volatility in the market indicies is extremely
> > perplexing to investors. T
> > But the recent rally does not signify a bottom to the indicies.
> > Rather it indicates two factors: 1. The covering of short sale
> > positions; and, 2. the strategic, tactical, and psychological
> > preparation for a final panic sell off over about the next month and a
> > half.
> > After the same, of course, the bottom of the current bear market will
> > be reached as there being significantly diminished volume and
> > volatitlity concommitant with the inaurguration of a new US Presiden
> > and new US Congress validating that a market bottom has been reached.- Hide
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>
> - Show quoted text -

the recent upticks are not generally accessed by individual stocks
since each is on its own trajectory.... but yes, funds and the index
see an up tic... minus your fees and taxes.

is it worth the risk for a person to jump on the upticks? ymmv.


Tell that who finished loosing it all in 1933. that will be
repeating shortly.



Phil scott

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9. Date: 2008-11-27 22:03:30
Subject: Re: Another "Sucker" Rally
From: ausound <a...@s...com> Search message by this author

Marcus Aurelius <a...@h...com> wrote in news:4b3a1b16-4d30-
4bef-a4fa-c5fd49772eae@g38g2000yqn.googlegroups.com:

> The increasing volatility in the market indicies is extremely
> perplexing to investors. T
> But the recent rally does not signify a bottom to the indicies.
> Rather it indicates two factors: 1. The covering of short sale
> positions; and, 2. the strategic, tactical, and psychological
> preparation for a final panic sell off over about the next month and a
> half.
> After the same, of course, the bottom of the current bear market will
> be reached as there being significantly diminished volume and
> volatitlity concommitant with the inaurguration of a new US Presiden
> and new US Congress validating that a market bottom has been reached.
>

spot on opinion
your perspective lends additional dimension to my own views

DJI to 6100 or thereabouts
Nasdaq to 1200 or thereabouts
s&p500 to as low as 600, I would tend to interpret to 725

after the post 911 rally
the general market consolodated and formed a double bottom in mid2002 &
early2003
after which we enjoyed Cheany's 5 yr bull market

the DJI's 2002/3 double bottom formed right on it's 10 year moving
average

the S&P500's 2002/3 double bottom formed right on it's 15 year moving
average

and the Nasdaq's 2002/3 double bottom formed right on it's 20 year moving
average

all three of those Indexes have fallen through those previously
established support lines

all of those indexes have fallen below the point where terrorists chose
to attack in an attempt to inflict a mortal blow to capitalism at the
moment of perceived economic weakness.

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10. Date: 2008-11-27 22:15:03
Subject: Re: Another "Sucker" Rally
From: ausound <a...@s...com> Search message by this author

"Uncle_vito" <u...@y...com> wrote in
news:kOGdnSYZG_HMcLPUnZ2dnUVZ_qTinZ2d@linkline.com:

> How many truely sick people would gladly give all their wealth to be
> healthy again.
>
> Then there is Buffethater.....
>

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