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1. Date: 2010-01-13 19:49:34
Subject: Are immediate annuities available for those over 90?
From: Ron Peterson <r...@s...core.com> Search message by this author

It would be perfect for those seeking to finance assisted living. I
can't find anyone selling such a policy.

--
Ron

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2. Date: 2010-01-14 17:41:28
Subject: Re: Are immediate annuities available for those over 90?
From: joeDOTweinsteinATgmailDOTcom <j...@g...com> Search message by this author

On Jan 13, 11:49 am, Ron Peterson <r...@s...core.com> wrote:
> It would be perfect for those seeking to finance assisted living. I
> can't find anyone selling such a policy.
>
> --
>    Ron

How much does assisted living cost, and how much money is there
to invest in annuity? Off hand, it sounds completely inappropriate
to buy an annuity for a 90-year old person.

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3. Date: 2010-01-14 20:22:26
Subject: Re: Are immediate annuities available for those over 90?
From: Chip <c...@g...com> Search message by this author

joeDOTweinsteinATgmailDOTcom wrote:

> How much does assisted living cost, and how much money is there
> to invest in annuity? Off hand, it sounds completely inappropriate
> to buy an annuity for a 90-year old person.
>
It certainly would be better than Long Term Care Insurance. We have
discussed my problems with that system before, but here's a new one.

Since the Assisted Living home gets it's money (cash from you)up-front,
it has NO incentive to prepare and send it's paper work to the LTC
insurer. The LTC insurer has NO incentive to ask for or process the
paperwork. The longer it can stall, and it does, the longer they have
my money working for them. The insurer was also threatening to lapse
because they had not received anything from the home for 2 months.

The suckers who buy this junk are the ones shelling out the cash to keep
Mama in the home and constantly fighting both the home and the insurer
to get reimbursement.

BTW, here in Phoenix the costs for a moderate home are $2800/month.

Chip

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4. Date: 2010-01-14 22:42:36
Subject: Re: Are immediate annuities available for those over 90?
From: Ron Peterson <r...@s...core.com> Search message by this author

On Jan 14, 11:41 am, joeDOTweinsteinATgmailDOTcom
<j...@g...com> wrote:
> On Jan 13, 11:49 am, Ron Peterson <r...@s...core.com> wrote:
>
> > It would be perfect for those seeking to finance assisted living. I
> > can't find anyone selling such a policy.

> How much does assisted living cost, and how much money is there
> to invest in annuity? Off hand, it sounds completely inappropriate
> to buy an annuity for a 90-year old person.

An immediate annuity for a 90 year old would yield 18%, so the yield
for a 95 year old should be much higher.

So a $200,000 immediate annuity would cover the costs of a home
indefinitely possibly reducing the burden on the assets of loved ones.

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Ron

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5. Date: 2010-01-14 23:47:29
Subject: Re: Are immediate annuities available for those over 90?
From: Chip <c...@g...com> Search message by this author

Ron Peterson wrote:

>>
>>> It would be perfect for those seeking to finance assisted living. I
>>> can't find anyone selling such a policy.
>
>> How much does assisted living cost, and how much money is there
>> to invest in annuity? Off hand, it sounds completely inappropriate
>> to buy an annuity for a 90-year old person.
>
> An immediate annuity for a 90 year old would yield 18%, so the yield
> for a 95 year old should be much higher.
>
> So a $200,000 immediate annuity would cover the costs of a home
> indefinitely possibly reducing the burden on the assets of loved ones.
>
> --
> Ron
>
If I had this discussion 8 years ago, my then 80 yo MIL would have taken
out a deferred annuity (my wife as beneficiary) to cover her assisted
living and NEVER would have considered paying the high premiums and low
coverage for LTC insurance. I was (still am, I guess) financially naive
and swayed by the ad hype and my MIL fears. I hope none of you sell
this stuff. It's bad financial planning and a PITA to use.

Chip

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