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1. Date: 2008-11-27 03:23:34
Subject: Beware The Church Of Climate Alarm
From: "bnozo" <b...@...com> Search message by this author

November 27 2008

QUOTE: Plimer said there is a division between those scientists who sit in
front of super computers and push piles of data into the mathematical models
that drive the theory of climate change, and those who take measurements in
the field.

QUOTE: We are not sceptical enough about the data. For instance, Plimer
cited differences between results from temperature measuring stations in
urban and rural areas. Those in urbanised Chicago, Berkeley, New York, and
so on, show temperature rises over the past 150 years, whereas those in the
rural US, in Houlton, Albany and Harrisburg (though not Death Valley,
California) show equally consistent cooling. "What we're measuring is
urbanisation," Plimer said.

QUOTE: There was much more but essentially Plimer's message is that the idea
humans cause climate change has become a fundamentalist religion which is
corrupting science. It is embedded with a fear of nature and embraced
principally by city people who have lost touch with nature.

QUOTE: Quadrant is under fire for publishing articles by sceptics but, as
its editor, Keith Windschuttle, said on Monday night, "People who are really
confident of their facts relish debate."

QUOTE: But as Clarke proves, you can't stop people thinking. Yet.

As the Czech President, Vaclav Klaus, an economist, anti-totalitarian and
climate change sceptic, prepares to take up the rotating presidency of the
European Union next year, climate alarmists are doing their best to traduce
him.

The New York Times opened a profile of Klaus, 67, this week with a quote
from a 1980s communist secret agent's report, claiming he behaves like a
"rejected genius", and asserts there is "palpable fear" he will "embarrass"
the EU.

But the real fear driving climate alarmists wild is that a more rational
approach to the fundamentalist religion of global warming may be in the
ascendancy - whether in the parliamentary offices of the world's largest
trading bloc or in the living rooms of Blacktown.

As the global financial crisis takes hold, perhaps people are starting to
wonder whether the so-called precautionary principle, which would have us
accept enormous new taxes in the guise of an emissions trading scheme and
curtail economic growth, is justified, based on what we actually know about
climate.

One of Australia's leading enviro-sceptics, the geologist and University of
Adelaide professor Ian Plimer, 62, says he has noticed audiences becoming
more receptive to his message that climate change has always occurred and
there is nothing we can do to stop it.

In a speech at the American Club in Sydney on Monday night for Quadrant
magazine, titled Human-Induced Climate Change - A Lot Of Hot Air, Plimer
debunked climate-change myths.

"Climates always change," he said. Our climate has changed in cycles over
millions of years, as the orbit of the planet wobbles and our distance from
the sun changes, for instance, or as the sun itself produces variable
amounts of radiation. "All of this affects climate. It is impossible to stop
climate change. Climates have always changed and they always will."

His two-hour presentation included more than 50 charts and graphs, as well
as almost 40 pages of references. It is the basis of his new book, Heaven
And Earth: The Missing Science Of Global Warming, to be published early next
year.

Plimer said one of the charts, which plots atmospheric carbon dioxide and
temperature over 500 million years, with seemingly little correlation,
demonstrates one of the "lessons from history" to which geologists are
privy: "There is no relationship between CO2 and temperature."

Another slide charts the alternating periods of cooling and warming on
Earth, with the Pleistocene Ice Age starting 110,000 years ago and giving
way, 14,700 years ago, to the Bolling warm period for 800 years. This in
turn gave way to the Older Dryas cooling for 300 years, then the Allerod
warming for 700 years, and so on, until the cooling of the Little Ice Age
from 1300 to 1850. Since 1850, we have lived through the "Modern Warming",
one of the most stable climate periods in history.

Plimer said some astronomers predict we are headed for a new cooling period.

Plimer said there is a division between those scientists who sit in front of
super computers and push piles of data into the mathematical models that
drive the theory of climate change, and those who take measurements in the
field.

We are not sceptical enough about the data. For instance, Plimer cited
differences between results from temperature measuring stations in urban and
rural areas. Those in urbanised Chicago, Berkeley, New York, and so on, show
temperature rises over the past 150 years, whereas those in the rural US, in
Houlton, Albany and Harrisburg (though not Death Valley, California) show
equally consistent cooling. "What we're measuring is urbanisation," Plimer
said.

To understand the chaotic nature of climate change, we need to consider all
the inputs - cosmic radiation, sun, clouds and so on, he said.

There was much more but essentially Plimer's message is that the idea humans
cause climate change has become a fundamentalist religion which is
corrupting science. It is embedded with a fear of nature and embraced
principally by city people who have lost touch with nature.

He likens the debate to the famous 1990s battle he had in the Federal Court,
where he accused an elder of The Hills Bible Church in Baulkham Hills of
breaching Australia's Trade Practices Act by claiming to have found
scientific evidence of Noah's Ark in Turkey.

Plimer says creationists and climate alarmists are quite similar in that
"we're dealing with dogma and people who, when challenged, become quite
vicious and irrational".

Human-caused climate change is being "promoted with religious zeal . there
are fundamentalist organisations which will do anything to silence critics.
They have their holy books, their prophet is Al Gore. And they are promoting
a story which is frightening us witless using guilt and urging penance."

It is difficult for non-scientists to engage in the debate over what causes
climate change and whether or not it can be stopped by new taxes and slower
growth, because dissenting voices are shouted down by true believers in the
scientific community who claim they alone have the authority to speak.

Quadrant is under fire for publishing articles by sceptics but, as its
editor, Keith Windschuttle, said on Monday night, "People who are really
confident of their facts relish debate."

In any case, ordinary people already have suspicions. The zealotry and
one-sidedness of the debate alarmed an 81-year-old Seven Hills pensioner,
Denys Clarke, so much that last month, at his own expense, he hired the
ballroom at the Blacktown Workers Club for two public forums, titled The
Truth About Climate Change. He invited a climate sceptic, the James Cook
University professor Bob Carter, a geologist, to speak. More than 300 people
attended, some from as far away as Nowra.

Carter, like Plimer and Klaus, has come in for his fair share of
vilification.

But as Clarke proves, you can't stop people thinking. Yet.

http://www.smh.com.au/news/opinion/miranda-devine/be
ware-the-church-of-climate-alarm/2008/11/26/12274916
35989.html

Warmest Regards

Bonzo

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2. Date: 2008-12-03 20:11:22
Subject: Re: Beware The Church Of Climate Alarm
From: "V for Vendicar" <E...@h...com> Search message by this author

"bnozo" <b...@...com> wrote in message news:492e12b1$1@dnews.tpgi.com.au...
> QUOTE: Plimer said there is a division between those scientists who sit in
> front of super computers and push piles of data into the mathematical
> models that drive the theory of climate change, and those who take
> measurements in the field.

And neither group deny the reality of global warming.

Ahahahahahahahah.... Perptually unemployed Bonzo..... Clueless as
always....