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1. Date: 2008-11-19 06:07:44
Subject: California Fast Becoming A Basket Case Thanks To Idiotic Global Warming Policies
From: "nbzoo" <n...@...com> Search message by this author

November 12 2008



Priorities: California is headed toward fiscal disaster, thanks to the worst
performance by any state, ever. So what does Gov. Arnold Schwarzenegger do?
Convene a big meeting on global warming, of course.



The swaggering governator will host an international summit next week "to
discuss and develop strategies aimed at combating climate change."



Along with California's chief executive, five other governors plan to attend
the extravaganza - between, of course, pleading for bailouts from Washington
for their ailing state economies. Also invited are officials from Australia,
Brazil, Canada, China, the EU, India, Indonesia, Mexico, New Zealand,
Poland, Spain and Britain.



In case you don't remember, California in 2006 passed the most sweeping
greenhouse gas limits for any state in the union. Under this plan, CO2
output would be slashed by 25% by the year 2020. This is equivalent to
removing 6.5 million vehicles from the road.



Sounds great. Except that greenhouse gas output has yet to budge, and the
promised boom from "green jobs" promised by Schwarzenegger and his
Democratic friends are nowhere in sight. California's jobless rate is now
officially over 7%, nearly a point above the national average.



Instead, the greenhouse gas limits approved by Schwarzenegger will cost
California billions of dollars in lost output as businesses locate elsewhere
and take jobs with them.



The one-time Golden State is rapidly deteriorating from a cutting-edge,
high-tech economy to the fiscal equivalent of a Third World nation.



"The state global warming programs are costly to consumers and will not have
any impact on the environment," the nonpartisan American Legislative Council
concluded in a recent report.



In short, no bang for the buck. Just a lot of photo ops of Schwarzenegger
hobnobbing with other governors and a handful of foreign officials eager to
see the U.S. go down the same path to financial ruin as they have chosen.



Meanwhile, California's nonpartisan budget analyst on Tuesday predicted the
state will have a $27.8 billion deficit over the next 20 months. This is a
mind-boggling gap, equal to roughly 26% of the state's $103.3 billion in
annual general-fund spending. And if nothing's done, the deficit will
average $22 billion a year for the next five years.



This, not global warming, is California's true disaster in the making.



Schwarzenegger's response? Cut spending, yes, but also raise taxes. The time
to cut spending, however, was four years ago, not when disaster struck. A
narrow slice of rich Californians now pay virtually all the state's taxes,
so when a downturn occurs, the budget collapses.



Ironically, Schwarzenegger entered office four years ago after challenging
the sitting governor, Gray Davis, in a recall election over the state's
energy blackout and - you guess it - its huge budget deficit.



Since then, overall spending under Schwarzenegger has soared $41 billion, or
more than 40%. General-fund spending has jumped by $27 billion to $103.3
billion, a 35% increase. Growth under Davis was less than half that. Maybe
he's got an apology coming.



California's economy is struggling in large part because Schwarzenegger
hasn't lived up to his promise to tackle the out-of-control budget. Instead,
he's riding his global warming hobbyhorse. Who knows? Maybe he'll ride it
all the way to a post in President Obama's administration.



http://www.ibdeditorials.com/IBDArticles.aspx?id=311
385255302770







Warmest Regards



Bonzo


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2. Date: 2008-11-19 20:59:10
Subject: Re: California Fast Becoming A Basket Case Thanks To Idiotic Global Warming Policies
From: Morgoth Bauglir <M...@M...com> Search message by this author


> November 12 2008
>
> Priorities: California is headed toward fiscal disaster, thanks to the worst
> performance by any state, ever. So what does Gov. Arnold Schwarzenegger do?
> Convene a big meeting on global warming, of course.

The proponents of the 6,000 year old earth (with dinosaurs coeexisting with
humans) who don't believe in science, global warming, or a round earth, are
doomed.

We now have an 'A' strudent for a President, not a 'C' student.

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3. Date: 2008-11-20 04:37:21
Subject: Re: California Fast Becoming A Basket Case Thanks To Idiotic Global Warming Policies
From: k...@y...com Search message by this author

On Nov 19, 12:07 am, "nbzoo" <n...@...com> wrote:
> November 12 2008
>
> Priorities: California is headed toward fiscal disaster, thanks to the worst
> performance by any state, ever. So what does Gov. Arnold Schwarzenegger do?
> Convene a big meeting on global warming, of course.
>
> The swaggering governator will host an international summit next week "to
> discuss and develop strategies aimed at combating climate change."
>
> Along with California's chief executive, five other governors plan to attend
> the extravaganza - between, of course, pleading for bailouts from Washington
> for their ailing state economies. Also invited are officials from Australia,
> Brazil, Canada, China, the EU, India, Indonesia, Mexico, New Zealand,
> Poland, Spain and Britain.
>
> In case you don't remember, California in 2006 passed the most sweeping
> greenhouse gas limits for any state in the union. Under this plan, CO2
> output would be slashed by 25% by the year 2020. This is equivalent to
> removing 6.5 million vehicles from the road.
>
> Sounds great. Except that greenhouse gas output has yet to budge, and the
> promised boom from "green jobs" promised by Schwarzenegger and his
> Democratic friends are nowhere in sight. California's jobless rate is now
> officially over 7%, nearly a point above the national average.
>
> Instead, the greenhouse gas limits approved by Schwarzenegger will cost
> California billions of dollars in lost output as businesses locate elsewhere
> and take jobs with them.
>
> The one-time Golden State is rapidly deteriorating from a cutting-edge,
> high-tech economy to the fiscal equivalent of a Third World nation.
>
> "The state global warming programs are costly to consumers and will not have
> any impact on the environment," the nonpartisan American Legislative Council
> concluded in a recent report.
>
> In short, no bang for the buck. Just a lot of photo ops of Schwarzenegger
> hobnobbing with other governors and a handful of foreign officials eager to
> see the U.S. go down the same path to financial ruin as they have chosen.
>
> Meanwhile, California's nonpartisan budget analyst on Tuesday predicted the
> state will have a $27.8 billion deficit over the next 20 months. This is a
> mind-boggling gap, equal to roughly 26% of the state's $103.3 billion in
> annual general-fund spending. And if nothing's done, the deficit will
> average $22 billion a year for the next five years.
>
> This, not global warming, is California's true disaster in the making.
>
> Schwarzenegger's response? Cut spending, yes, but also raise taxes. The time
> to cut spending, however, was four years ago, not when disaster struck. A
> narrow slice of rich Californians now pay virtually all the state's taxes,
> so when a downturn occurs, the budget collapses.
>
> Ironically, Schwarzenegger entered office four years ago after challenging
> the sitting governor, Gray Davis, in a recall election over the state's
> energy blackout and - you guess it - its huge budget deficit.
>
> Since then, overall spending under Schwarzenegger has soared $41 billion, or
> more than 40%. General-fund spending has jumped by $27 billion to $103.3
> billion, a 35% increase. Growth under Davis was less than half that. Maybe
> he's got an apology coming.
>
> California's economy is struggling in large part because Schwarzenegger
> hasn't lived up to his promise to tackle the out-of-control budget. Instead,
> he's riding his global warming hobbyhorse. Who knows? Maybe he'll ride it
> all the way to a post in President Obama's administration.
>
> http://www.ibdeditorials.com/IBDArticles.aspx?id=311
385255302770
>
> Warmest Regards
>
> Bonzo

Arnie sure has the gall to ask for federal bailout. They wish to sue
the federal government and the auto companies, and then push and shove
to get at the front of the welfare line with their hands out to
recieve money which they cannot raise by lawful taxes.

Maybe their attorney general should just sue all California citizens
for driving their cars and damaging the snow cap on Mt Baldy. Maybe
then, the governator won't have to ask the rest of the country to pay
for the system of government and controls which they consider
themselves 'innovators'.

He got his damn job because the previous governor and legislature's
beleived the lies of deregulation which allowed the fleecing of
California by holding their electricity hostage. His rational for
ignoring the lack of science of AGW, is that, 'if the science comes in
that this is scientific fraud, we will still have the fossil fuels.'
Sure after the fanatics greenie weenies sue everybody and drive the
economy into the dirt which they would like to reduce emissions.

In the meantime, the state of California must pay for the new programs
and accept the right of industry to rellocate. Cement production
accounts for 5% of all CO2 emissions. There is a good industry to tax.
Money, money money everywhere. You are 'allowed' to live and produce
CO2, as long as you pay the tax.

All of the politicians think that the allowance tax is the solution to
their problems. But this places 80% of the burden upon electrical
generation, which means directly upon the consumer or average
American. The economy will never recover or thrive if this taxation is
imposed which only reduces CO2 emissions through economic
strangulation of the lower class and middle class.

KD

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4. Date: 2008-11-23 14:24:49
Subject: Re: California Fast Becoming A Basket Case Thanks To Idiotic Global Warming Policies
From: k...@y...com Search message by this author

On Nov 19, 2:59 pm, Morgoth Bauglir <M...@M...com> wrote:
> > November 12 2008
>
> > Priorities: California is headed toward fiscal disaster, thanks to the worst
> > performance by any state, ever. So what does Gov. Arnold Schwarzenegger do?
> > Convene a big meeting on global warming, of course.
>
> The proponents of the 6,000 year old earth (with dinosaurs coeexisting with
> humans) who don't believe in science, global warming, or a round earth, are
> doomed.
>
> We now have an 'A' strudent for a President, not a 'C' student.

So now after bitching about Bush's war in Iraq, Obama can embark upon
a holy war against US citizens and all the greenie weenies can enjoy
their war against those who understand their program to be nonsense
which has absolutely no possibility of mitigating any possible
'climate change'.

All of these people are hoplessly ignorant anyway, since they do not
repeat the valued dogma of GLOOM AND DOOM and the need for suicidal
and genocidal reduction of CO2.

Just round up all those creationists you hate and gas them like the
Nazis did the Jews. And all the people who lose life and property
under your program and become your enemies should be gassed also, huh.
The people that run American industry are all your enemies since you
have determined that they resist your suicidal program of CO2
reduction only because they wish to make profits.

And then you have the average person. Everyone knows that it is they
who are primarily resposible for emissions of CO2 as they live their
normal lives. Plenty of people to make war upon for the sanctified
believers in the doomsday prognostications of CO2 caused global
warming.

So, greenie weenie, elitists, holy warriors, enjoy YOUR HOLY WAR
against people who are entirely innocent, and expect no one to resist
or complain or no retribution for your lies and imposition of your
false science.

KDeatherage

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5. Date: 2008-11-23 18:05:39
Subject: Re: California Fast Becoming A Basket Case Thanks To Idiotic Global Warming Policies
From: Claudius Denk <c...@s...net> Search message by this author

On Nov 18, 10:07 pm, "nbzoo" <n...@...com> wrote:
> November 12 2008
>
> Priorities: California is headed toward fiscal disaster, thanks to the worst
> performance by any state, ever. So what does Gov. Arnold Schwarzenegger do?
> Convene a big meeting on global warming, of course.
>
> The swaggering governator will host an international summit next week "to
> discuss and develop strategies aimed at combating climate change."
>
> Along with California's chief executive, five other governors plan to attend
> the extravaganza - between, of course, pleading for bailouts from Washington
> for their ailing state economies. Also invited are officials from Australia,
> Brazil, Canada, China, the EU, India, Indonesia, Mexico, New Zealand,
> Poland, Spain and Britain.
>
> In case you don't remember, California in 2006 passed the most sweeping
> greenhouse gas limits for any state in the union. Under this plan, CO2
> output would be slashed by 25% by the year 2020. This is equivalent to
> removing 6.5 million vehicles from the road.
>
> Sounds great. Except that greenhouse gas output has yet to budge, and the
> promised boom from "green jobs" promised by Schwarzenegger and his
> Democratic friends are nowhere in sight. California's jobless rate is now
> officially over 7%, nearly a point above the national average.
>
> Instead, the greenhouse gas limits approved by Schwarzenegger will cost
> California billions of dollars in lost output as businesses locate elsewhere
> and take jobs with them.
>
> The one-time Golden State is rapidly deteriorating from a cutting-edge,
> high-tech economy to the fiscal equivalent of a Third World nation.
>
> "The state global warming programs are costly to consumers and will not have
> any impact on the environment," the nonpartisan American Legislative Council
> concluded in a recent report.
>
> In short, no bang for the buck. Just a lot of photo ops of Schwarzenegger
> hobnobbing with other governors and a handful of foreign officials eager to
> see the U.S. go down the same path to financial ruin as they have chosen.
>
> Meanwhile, California's nonpartisan budget analyst on Tuesday predicted the
> state will have a $27.8 billion deficit over the next 20 months. This is a
> mind-boggling gap, equal to roughly 26% of the state's $103.3 billion in
> annual general-fund spending. And if nothing's done, the deficit will
> average $22 billion a year for the next five years.
>
> This, not global warming, is California's true disaster in the making.
>
> Schwarzenegger's response? Cut spending, yes, but also raise taxes. The time
> to cut spending, however, was four years ago, not when disaster struck. A
> narrow slice of rich Californians now pay virtually all the state's taxes,
> so when a downturn occurs, the budget collapses.
>
> Ironically, Schwarzenegger entered office four years ago after challenging
> the sitting governor, Gray Davis, in a recall election over the state's
> energy blackout and - you guess it - its huge budget deficit.
>
> Since then, overall spending under Schwarzenegger has soared $41 billion, or
> more than 40%. General-fund spending has jumped by $27 billion to $103.3
> billion, a 35% increase. Growth under Davis was less than half that. Maybe
> he's got an apology coming.
>
> California's economy is struggling in large part because Schwarzenegger
> hasn't lived up to his promise to tackle the out-of-control budget. Instead,
> he's riding his global warming hobbyhorse. Who knows? Maybe he'll ride it
> all the way to a post in President Obama's administration.
>
> http://www.ibdeditorials.com/IBDArticles.aspx?id=311
385255302770

Anyboy who thinks a politician--any politician--understands the
"science' or even cares to understand the "science" upon which he/she
bases policy related statements doesn't understand politics.

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6. Date: 2008-11-26 23:36:30
Subject: Re: California Fast Becoming A Basket Case Thanks To Idiotic Global
From: "V for Vendicar" <E...@h...com> Search message by this author


<k...@y...com> wrote
> So now after bitching about Bush's war in Iraq, Obama can embark upon
> a holy war against US citizens and all the greenie weenies can enjoy
> their war against those who understand their program to be nonsense
> which has absolutely no possibility of mitigating any possible
> 'climate change'.

Meanwhile record drought persists in California, resulting in massive brush
fires for the 10th year running.

Thanx to Global Warming.



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7. Date: 2008-11-27 00:27:14
Subject: Re: California Fast Becoming A Basket Case Thanks To Idiotic Global
From: "bnzoo" <b...@...com> Search message by this author


"V for Vendicar" <E...@h...com> wrote
in message news:q3lXk.137$Eg.135@read1.cgocable.net...
>
> <k...@y...com> wrote
>> So now after bitching about Bush's war in Iraq, Obama can embark upon
>> a holy war against US citizens and all the greenie weenies can enjoy
>> their war against those who understand their program to be nonsense
>> which has absolutely no possibility of mitigating any possible
>> 'climate change'.
>
> Meanwhile record drought persists in California, resulting in massive
> brush fires for the 10th year running.

Huh?
Reference please!



Warmest Regards

Bonzo



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8. Date: 2008-11-27 03:44:26
Subject: Re: California Fast Becoming A Basket Case Thanks To Idiotic Global
From: "V for Vendicar" <E...@h...com> Search message by this author


"Claudius Denk" <c...@s...net> wrote
> Anyboy who thinks a politician--any politician--understands the
> "science' or even cares to understand the "science" upon which he/she
> bases policy related statements doesn't understand politics.

"Far more than other lawmakers, Gore during his career in Washington has
gained a reputation in the science community for being concerned,
knowledgeable, and articulate on matters of science and technology.
Researchers of various disciplines interviewed by The Scientist attest
to this, saying they are impressed that Gore is well versed in
scientific areas as diverse as space science, supercomputing, and
biotechnology." - New Scientist V6 #17.

---
:I think his <Al Gore's> credentials, in terms of science, are probably
better than those of anybody else in the Congress," - Robert Park,
American Physical Society (APS) / professor of physics University of
Maryland, College Park.

---
"I have interacted with him <Al Gore> a number of times, at many
conferences. And he is surely the most knowledgeable major politician in
terms of his actual scientific knowledge." - F. Sherwood Rowland,
tmospheric chemist at the University of California, Irvine / president
of the American Association for the Advancement of Science (AAAS)

---
"On key issues such as the space station, Al Gore actually knows what
he's talking about. He's not just mouthing words that some staff person
wrote for him." - John Pike, space policy project director for the
Federation of American Scientists (FAS) in Washington, D.C.




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9. Date: 2008-11-27 03:57:55
Subject: Re: California Fast Becoming A Basket Case Thanks To Idiotic Global
From: "V for Vendicar" <E...@h...com> Search message by this author


>> Meanwhile record drought persists in California, resulting in massive
>> brush fires for the 10th year running.


"bnzoo" <b...@...com> wrote
> Huh?
> Reference please!

Bonzo = Ignoramus.

November 25, 2008


Bloodshed and Death is coming to American Businessmen

In my 46 years on this Earth, I have never had to write such a frightening
Op-Ed piece as this. Sadly, the state of affairs inside the US and its
business community is such that remaining silent is no longer an option.

Put bluntly, bloodshed and death is coming. Brutal, violent, merciless.
Perpetrated with malice aforethought. If I am right, many of you business
folks - especially the folks at the top - are going to be the ones doing the
bleeding and the dying.

How we got to this point is simple. How we stop it from happening is not so
simple; but there is still a small window of opportunity which may help
avert
this.

It began with NAFTA and GATT. The whole "free trade" movement was
sales-pitched to us common folk as a way to break down trade barriers so
American products could be sold overseas with greater ease and
competitiveness. The pitch told us that it would help American companies and
increase American jobs. That sales pitch was a deliberate lie.

What was really afoot was a way for American corporations to significantly
reduce their manufacturing costs by opening state-of-the-art facilities in
third world countries, hiring third-world workers at pittance pay with no
benefits, while maintaining sales prices. This allowed you folks to pocket
huge additional profits.

Next, you corporate folks decided to jump on the "Diversity" bandwagon,
Diversity replaced merit. Corporate productivity slid but no one could dare
step up to say why for fear of being fired as a racist.

Diversity became and end unto itself and ultimately it was the straight,
white
male who suffered most. Straight white males were intentionally passed-over
for jobs and promotions. When "downsizing" took place, it was the straight,
white male cut loose so "diversity" could be maintained.

The last straw - and by far the worst betrayal - was the intentional use of
illegal aliens and the intentional importation of foreign, cheap labor under
the H1-B Visa system. Companies even went so far as to send their Human
Resources people to seminars offered by law firms so they could learn
precisely how to disqualify Americans for available jobs, in favor of
importing foreigners!

Well, ladies and gentlemen of the business community, the chickens have now
come home to roost.

Vast numbers of unemployed Americans, unable to pay their mortgages after
losing jobs, began defaulting, causing foreclosures to rise.

Vast numbers of illegal aliens who were also given mortgages (by banks who
feared being labeled racists if they declined to lend), defaulted on their
mortgages too. This caused even more foreclosures.

As foreclosures grew, they affected the value of nearby homes whose owners
suddenly found out they owed more than their homes were worth! When their
mortgage companies demanded large, lump sum payments to pay down the excess
mortgage, those folks could not pay and. . . . were foreclosed upon.

Long story short, these foreclosures caused the banking system to contract,
which caused the credit markets to dry up, which caused everything else to
go
in the crapper. That's where we are today.

Where we're heading is unlike anything you can imagine.

Unlike the great depression of the 1930's, people today are quite well
educated. We know exactly how this trouble happened and exactly who is to
blame: YOU. The corporate hot shots who put profit over country; who put
greed
above loyalty and who cared not one wit about who was displaced, who was
harmed, or who got shafted.

Unlike the great depression, people today have lost a lot more than just
their
jobs and homes. They've lost their retirement nest eggs, their children's
college funds and worst of all, any chance at a better future. Therein lies
a
recipe for violence;. and folks, violence is coming - right at you.

You see, folks of today understand that allowing the great depression of the
1930's to take place without retribution against those who caused it, set
the
stage for this latest financial screw job.

As any parent can tell you, when being nice over bad behavior fails to stop
such behavior, one must resort to punishing bad behavior to prevent future
bad
acts.

Punishment for what you have done is your due and folks out here in the real
world are preparing to deliver it - right to your physical person on the
doorstep of your offices and homes.

Thanks to the internet, we know who the CEO's and CFO's of all your
companies
are. We know who is on every Board of Directors. Thanks to information
services like Intellius.com, we also know where all of you live. ALL of you.

Americans who have lost everything, have no reservation whatsoever about
coming after you to inflict violence for wrecking their lives and our
nation.
In fact, I personally know of a "movement" of several groups actively
recruiting the destitute from make-shift homeless centers, with the
intention
of organizing criminal violence against you. Groups like the Ku Klux Klan,
Aryan Nations, Nazis and White racist skinheads are seeing staggering growth
in membership. I know. I've seen it with my own eyes. And you know what? I
agree with "the movement" because I think what you've done stinks.

I will proudly stand with those groups when the time comes.

These groups are folks, right here in America, who have nothing left. They
have lost everything, including all hope. They do not fear the police, jail
or
death. They certainly don't fear you.


More interesting, many of the people now facing utter destitution are US
military veterans and they are helping the aforementioned groups prepare for
what's coming. Through their contacts in the military, veterans in the
groups
mentioned above have gained access to automatic weapons, armor piercing
ammunition, grenades, C4 plastic explosives, anti-personnel mines,
rocket-propelled grenades and more!

I personally know one former US Army Combat Engineer in the National
Alliance.
I can't even begin to describe how helpful he has been to "the movement."

If you want an example of how frighteningly effective this movement has
become, I can tell you for an absolute fact that the US Secret Service had
to
emergency-deploy eight (8) sniper teams around Grant Park in Chicago, IL on
election night because a member of "the movement" was reportedly headed down
there with military Mortars to attack and kill Barack Obama and his
supporters! That's how bold, how brazen, how incredibly dangerous things are
getting!

What good will the police or your corporate security forces be against these
types of dedicated and committed, angry people? What good are the "safe
rooms"
you've built in your homes or office buildings when C4 and RPG's can blow
right through them?

Last year, a listener to my talk radio show who is a gunsmith, thought I
might
like having an illegal silencer for my gun. He built one and shipped it to
me!
I have pictures to prove it!

Was it illegal? Yes. Did he care? No. Did I care? I won't say.

You have no idea how bad things are getting out here in real America. Trust
me, if you don't do something now to step up and help the average people of
this country, by the time you find out exactly how bad things are, it will
be
too late for you.

So I think you corporate folks would do well to seriously reconsider your
actions over the past
15 - 20 years and decide whether you're going to help America or continue
lining your own pockets? Are you going to bring the jobs back to America or
continue using third world labor as your country collapses? Are you going to
stop this bad behavior or are you going to have to be punished?

If you need help deciding, just ask yourself this: What good is all your
wealth if an uprising of angry white males leaves you too dead to spend it?
Oh, and if you think an uprising can't happen here, think again.

The bullet-resistant vests worn by police and your corporate security do not
protect them from the paralyzing effects of a Tazer. Once the cops and
security people are neutralized, your guns and those of the angry white
males
can do their thing. Since there are more of us than you, we win.

There's a fight coming. The cops can't stop it. The lawyers can't stop it.
The
courts can't stop it. The military is spread too thin around the world to be
of any consequence and the government is too broke to fund any more homeland
security.

But this fight doesn't have to happen. It can be avoided with a little
national loyalty and a little compassion.

Get your Board of Directors together and ask what your company can do to
help
America for the next 24 months? Talk to your stockholders and ask their
permission to cut dividends by half for the sole purpose of hiring more
AMERICANS to jobs here in America.

Go on TV and tell the public what you're doing to make things better HERE,
at
home! You can recover from the horrid reputation you've gotten, and help
resolve the horrid situation you have created if you'll only take some time
to
do the right things for the COUNTRY. A little corporate sacrifice will go a
long way to help a lot of us little people. The gratitude and admiration it
will generate will be priceless.

Of course, you are free to continue being impressed with yourselves as
masters
of the universe and keep right on doing what you've been doing. If that is
your intention, then know now:
The jig is up. Either get right with white males and America, or get your
affairs in order.


Hal Turner


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