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Cosmic Rays, Clouds and Climate (Part 2)
November 3 2008
THERE is a theory that the earth's climate is influenced by cosmic rays that
penetrate our atmosphere from outer space. In particular it is thought
cosmic rays influence the production of cloud condensation nuclei with
periods of higher cosmic rays penetration associated with more cloudiness.
The power of what is known as the solar wind, the magnetic force associated
with the sun, is thought to influence the extent to which these high-energy
charged particles composed of protons, electrons, and ionized nuclei reach
earth.
The theory has been based to a large extent on correlations between climate
and sunspot cycles. There is now a research effort to establish a
physically-plausible link between cosmic rays, clouds and climate including
through laboratory experiments in clouding at the Cern Cloud Facility in,
Geneva, Switzerland. The theory and the experiments are explained in
'Cosmic Rays and Climate' by Jasper Kirkby, Surveys in Geophysics, Volume
28, pages 333-375.
I know of no equivalent research effort looking at establishing a causal
link between carbon dioxide and climate.
This paper by Dr Kirby was first discussed here in a blog post by Paul Biggs
on May 21 this year. I've only just properly discovered it - and thought it
so good you should read about it a second time. I posted 'Cosmic Rays,
Clouds and Climate (Part 1)' on April 13, 2008.
http://jennifermarohasy.com/blog/
Warmest Regards
Bonzo
On Nov 5, 2:27 am, "zbnoo" <z...@...com> wrote:
> Cosmic Rays, Clouds and Climate (Part 2)
>
> November 3 2008
>
> THERE is a theory that the earth's climate is influenced by cosmic rays that
> penetrate our atmosphere from outer space. In particular it is thought
> cosmic rays influence the production of cloud condensation nuclei with
> periods of higher cosmic rays penetration associated with more cloudiness.
> The power of what is known as the solar wind, the magnetic force associated
> with the sun, is thought to influence the extent to which these high-energy
> charged particles composed of protons, electrons, and ionized nuclei reach
> earth.
>
> The theory has been based to a large extent on correlations between climate
> and sunspot cycles. There is now a research effort to establish a
> physically-plausible link between cosmic rays, clouds and climate including
> through laboratory experiments in clouding at the Cern Cloud Facility in,
> Geneva, Switzerland. The theory and the experiments are explained in
> 'Cosmic Rays and Climate' by Jasper Kirkby, Surveys in Geophysics, Volume
> 28, pages 333-375.
>
> I know of no equivalent research effort looking at establishing a causal
> link between carbon dioxide and climate.
>
> This paper by Dr Kirby was first discussed here in a blog post by Paul Biggs
> on May 21 this year. I've only just properly discovered it - and thought it
> so good you should read about it a second time. I posted 'Cosmic Rays,
> Clouds and Climate (Part 1)' on April 13, 2008.
>
> http://jennifermarohasy.com/blog/
>
> Warmest Regards
>
> Bonzo
They don't dare try establishing a causal link between carbon dioxide
and climate experimentally because they would prove themselves
WRONG
On Nov 4, 6:27 pm, "zbnoo" <z...@...com> wrote:
[ . . . ]
> I know of no equivalent research effort looking at establishing a causal
> link between carbon dioxide and climate.
You don't know much about the subject, then.
To learn what zbn00 doesn't know, please see."
http://www.ipcc.ch/ipccreports/ar4-wg1.htm
On Nov 5, 11:44 am, Roger Coppock <r...@a...com> wrote:
> On Nov 4, 6:27 pm, "zbnoo" <z...@...com> wrote:
> [ . . . ]
>
> > I know of no equivalent research effort looking at establishing a causal
> > link between carbon dioxide and climate.
>
> You don't know much about the subject, then.
> To learn what zbn00 doesn't know, please see."
>
> http://www.ipcc.ch/ipccreports/ar4-wg1.htm
So, if I mention Herschel, are you going to say he thought beings
lived on the sun?
On Nov 5, 11:44 am, Roger Coppock <r...@a...com> wrote:
> On Nov 4, 6:27 pm, "zbnoo" <z...@...com> wrote:
> [ . . . ]
>
> > I know of no equivalent research effort looking at establishing a causal
> > link between carbon dioxide and climate.
>
> You don't know much about the subject, then.
> To learn what zbn00 doesn't know, please see."
>
> http://www.ipcc.ch/ipccreports/ar4-wg1.htm
http://www.ipcc.ch/graphics/graphics/2001syr/large/0
6.01.jpg
3/4rs of climate science has a "very low level of scientific
understanding". says the IPCC.
And the science is settled?
How do you explain such a contradiction?
chemist wrote:
> On Nov 5, 2:27 am, "zbnoo" <z...@...com> wrote:
>> Cosmic Rays, Clouds and Climate (Part 2)
>>
>> November 3 2008
>>
>> THERE is a theory that the earth's climate is influenced by cosmic
>> rays that penetrate our atmosphere from outer space. In particular
>> it is thought cosmic rays influence the production of cloud
>> condensation nuclei with periods of higher cosmic rays penetration
>> associated with more cloudiness. The power of what is known as the
>> solar wind, the magnetic force associated with the sun, is thought
>> to influence the extent to which these high-energy charged particles
>> composed of protons, electrons, and ionized nuclei reach earth.
>>
>> The theory has been based to a large extent on correlations between
>> climate and sunspot cycles. There is now a research effort to
>> establish a physically-plausible link between cosmic rays, clouds
>> and climate including through laboratory experiments in clouding at
>> the Cern Cloud Facility in, Geneva, Switzerland. The theory and the
>> experiments are explained in 'Cosmic Rays and Climate' by Jasper
>> Kirkby, Surveys in Geophysics, Volume 28, pages 333-375.
>>
>> I know of no equivalent research effort looking at establishing a
>> causal link between carbon dioxide and climate.
>>
>> This paper by Dr Kirby was first discussed here in a blog post by
>> Paul Biggs on May 21 this year. I've only just properly discovered
>> it - and thought it so good you should read about it a second time.
>> I posted 'Cosmic Rays, Clouds and Climate (Part 1)' on April 13,
>> 2008.
>>
>> http://jennifermarohasy.com/blog/
>>
>> Warmest Regards
>>
>> Bonzo
>
> They don't dare try establishing a causal link between carbon dioxide
> and climate experimentally because they would prove themselves
> WRONG
cuckoo cuckoo cuckoo
matt_sykes wrote:
> On Nov 5, 11:44 am, Roger Coppock <r...@a...com> wrote:
>> On Nov 4, 6:27 pm, "zbnoo" <z...@...com> wrote:
>> [ . . . ]
>>
>>> I know of no equivalent research effort looking at establishing a
>>> causal link between carbon dioxide and climate.
>>
>> You don't know much about the subject, then.
>> To learn what zbn00 doesn't know, please see."
>>
>> http://www.ipcc.ch/ipccreports/ar4-wg1.htm
>
> http://www.ipcc.ch/graphics/graphics/2001syr/large/0
6.01.jpg
>
> 3/4rs of climate science has a "very low level of scientific
> understanding". says the IPCC.
Where?
>
> And the science is settled?
>
> How do you explain such a contradiction?
There is none. The second statement refers to the existence of AGW, which
is a proven fact.
"Lloyd" <l...@e...edu> wrote in message
news:c308824b-bc78-4f19-9156-bf90090b929a@i24g2000pr
f.googlegroups.com...
On Nov 4, 9:27 pm, "zbnoo" <z...@...com> wrote:
> Cosmic Rays, Clouds and Climate (Part 2)
>
> November 3 2008
>
> THERE is a theory that the earth's climate is influenced by cosmic rays
> that
> penetrate our atmosphere from outer space. In particular it is thought
> cosmic rays influence the production of cloud condensation nuclei with
> periods of higher cosmic rays penetration associated with more cloudiness.
> The power of what is known as the solar wind, the magnetic force
> associated
> with the sun, is thought to influence the extent to which these
> high-energy
> charged particles composed of protons, electrons, and ionized nuclei reach
> earth.
>
> The theory has been based to a large extent on correlations between
> climate
> and sunspot cycles. There is now a research effort to establish a
> physically-plausible link between cosmic rays, clouds and climate
> including
> through laboratory experiments in clouding at the Cern Cloud Facility in,
> Geneva, Switzerland.
Uh, research is supposed to see if there is a link, not to establish
one. That says the researchers have already made up their minds that
there is a link. That's not how one is supposed to do science!
**************************************************
Absolutely!
This reminds me of the IPCC making up its mind that CO2 causes warming and
cherrypicking data to suit.
Warmest Regards
Bonzo
On 5 Nov, 16:47, "Ouroboros_Rex" <i...@c...com> wrote:
> matt_sykes wrote:
> > On Nov 5, 11:44 am, Roger Coppock <r...@a...com> wrote:
> >> On Nov 4, 6:27 pm, "zbnoo" <z...@...com> wrote:
> >> [ . . . ]
>
> >>> I know of no equivalent research effort looking at establishing a
> >>> causal link between carbon dioxide and climate.
>
> >> You don't know much about the subject, then.
> >> To learn what zbn00 doesn't know, please see."
>
> >>http://www.ipcc.ch/ipccreports/ar4-wg1.htm
>
> >http://www.ipcc.ch/graphics/graphics/2001syr/large/
06.01.jpg
>
> > 3/4rs of climate science has a "very low level of scientific
> > understanding". says the IPCC.
>
> Where?
Put the mouse cursor over the link I provided and click the left mouse
bution.
Did you manage that Odourous? If not, please reply staing as much and
I will try to help you.
>
>
>
> > And the science is settled?
>
> > How do you explain such a contradiction?
>
> There is none. The second statement refers to the existence of AGW, which
> is a proven fact.- Hide quoted text -
So AGW just refers to the ability of CO2 to heat the earth, and that
much is settled, but how much heat, how effective it is in the face of
the other factors affecting climate and how it affects the climate in
toptal have a "very low level of scientific understanding"?
Is that case Odourous?
>
> - Show quoted text -
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