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1. Date: 2008-11-27 00:05:34
Subject: Indonesia's Climate Follows the Sun
From: "bnzoo" <b...@...com> Search message by this author

Look to matahari (the sun in Bahasa Indonesia) rather than CO2 as the key
player in Indonesia's climate.

November 25



QUOTE: a survey of 539 scientific papers containing the words "global
climate change" and published between January 2004 and February 2007 found
not a single one that provided any evidence that "global warming" would be
catastrophic. It does not matter how many scientists or politicians say that
more CO2 will cause a catastrophe. To true scientists, what matters is
whether any real-world data support the idea.



QUOTE: Professor Mezak Ratag of the Indonesia National Agency for
Meteorology & Geophysics says,

"The output from different models is often different and sometimes
contradictory. For example, [a UK climate model] predicts increases in
temperature and decreases in precipitation for Indonesia, while [a German
model] predicts an increase in both temperature and precipitation."







CO2 is not an air pollutant. It is plant food. All life on Earth depends on
it. It is natural. It forms the bubbles in bread, champagne, and Coca-Cola.
You breathe it out, and plants breathe it in.



The Earth contains a lot of CO2, but the atmosphere contains so little that
the United Nations' Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change (IPCC) rightly
calls CO2 a "trace gas". A scientific mystery is why the air does not hold
more CO2 than it does. Half a billion years ago, there was almost 20 times
today's CO2 concentration.



Most farmers would prefer to grow crops under much-higher concentrations of
CO2 than today's 385 parts per million-less than 1/25 of 1 percent of the
atmosphere. To feed the world, low CO2 concentration is not such a great
idea. High concentrations are better, and they cause no harm. Experiments
have shown that even delicate plants such as orchids thrive at CO2
concentrations of 10,000 ppm.



That is why U.S. Supreme Court Justice Anthony Scalia has declared that if
CO2 is to be labeled an "air pollutant", then so must Frisbees and
flatulence.



What about the danger of overheating the Earth by CO2? Al Gore is spending
$300 million telling us "global warming" will be a catastrophe. Yet a survey
of 539 scientific papers containing the words "global climate change" and
published between January 2004 and February 2007 found not a single one that
provided any evidence that "global warming" would be catastrophic. It does
not matter how many scientists or politicians say that more CO2 will cause a
catastrophe. To true scientists, what matters is whether any real-world data
support the idea.



If CO2 is a powerful greenhouse gas, we would have seen a great warming
trend in Indonesian temperature history. We haven't. Recent temperatures,
according to the Tyndall Centre for Climate Change Research, have been
scarcely warmer than they were 70 to 100 years ago. Instead of a strong
warming trend, the Indonesian data are dominated by year-to-year changes and
natural oscillations every 50 to 100 years.



It is remarkable to find documents on the Internet, circulated by
WWF-Indonesia, trying to scare the unsuspecting public by saying the
temperature in Indonesia has "increased by 0.3º C" over the twentieth
century and that one can expect additional warming of 0.1 to 0.3º C per
decade for the next 20 to 100 years.



In a humid, equatorial nation such as Indonesia, with annual temperatures
between 23º and 32º C, there is little chance of seeing those predicted
warming trends, or any of the predicted changes in rainfall.



Professor Mezak Ratag of the Indonesia National Agency for Meteorology &
Geophysics says,

"The output from different models is often different and sometimes
contradictory. For example, [a UK climate model] predicts increases in
temperature and decreases in precipitation for Indonesia, while [a German
model] predicts an increase in both temperature and precipitation."



When climate models say that both increased and decreased rainfall are
possible, they are not actually making any predictions.Worse, climate
scientists from Stanford University and the University of Washington in the
United States recently admitted that the islands of Java and Bali are not
even represented as land in many global-circulation models used by the IPCC.



The 100-year mean temperatures over the period 1901-2000 for
March-April-May, June-July-August, September-October-November, and
December-January-February are 26.2, 25.6, 26.1, and 25.9º C, respectively.
This confirms the clear dependence of the basic climatology of Indonesia on
the arrival and relative intensity of the sun overhead. More sun means
warmer weather, and vice versa. It is as simple as that.

More sun also means more rain, except that during the
December-January-February season there is an additional large contribution
from the northwest monsoon and the southward migration of the inter-tropical
rainbelt.



Look to matahari (the sun in Bahasa Indonesia) rather than CO2 as the key
player in Indonesia's climate.



Cutting CO2 emissions by sharply curtailing the use of gasoline and other
fossil fuels will make no difference to the weather. It will merely lead the
foolish to feel good about "saving the planet". Even if the planet needed
saving, all proposed mitigation measures would be futile. It would be
cheaper and less irresponsible to adapt to warmer weather as-or rather
if-necessary.



We have already seen food prices double and triple worldwide because the
"green" movement told us biofuels would "save the planet". Science, however,
demonstrates that biofuels have a bigger carbon footprint than does
gasoline.



Foolish mitigation measures that owe everything to political fashion and
nothing to scientific rigor are already harming the world's poor. It is time
to stop the hysteria about CO2 before anyone else gets hurt-or even killed.



Willie Soon is a geoscientist at the Solar, Stellar and Planetary Sciences
division of the Harvard-Smithsonian Center for Astrophysics. He will address
the International Symposium on Climate and Weather of the Sun-Earth System,
hosted by Indonesia's National Agency for Meteorology & Geophysics in
Jakarta November 24-26.



Christopher Monckton is chief policy adviser to the Science and Public
Policy Institute in the USA. (http://scienceandpublicpolicy.org).



This article has been republished from Indonesia Matters with permission
from Dr Soon.



http://jennifermarohasy.com/blog/2008/11/indonesia%e
2%80%99s-climate-follows-the-sun/#more-3330







Warmest Regards



Bonzo


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2. Date: 2008-11-27 00:10:39
Subject: Re: Indonesia's Climate Follows the Sun
From: Fellatio Drunkerton <f...@d...com> Search message by this author

Ya know, I didn't used to think there was much to global warming.

But when some scrofulous retard posts thousands of denials
of the phenomenon, that makes me think there's something
to it.

I will investigate further.

Thanks, boozn.

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3. Date: 2008-11-27 01:23:14
Subject: Re: Indonesia's Climate Follows the Sun
From: "bnzoo" <b...@...com> Search message by this author


"Fellatio Drunkerton" <f...@d...com> wrote in message
news:Xns9B62A610DCBE2swmjhcde@216.168.3.44...
> Ya know, I didn't used to think there was much to global warming.
>
> But when some scrofulous retard posts thousands of denials
> of the phenomenon, that makes me think there's something
> to it.
>
> I will investigate further.
>
> Thanks, boozn.


And thank you for displaying an open mind.
That didn't hurt did it?



Warmest Regards

Bonzo



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4. Date: 2008-11-27 04:38:00
Subject: Re: Indonesia's Climate Follows the Sun
From: "V for Vendicar" <E...@h...com> Search message by this author


"bnzoo" <b...@...com> wrote
> QUOTE: a survey of 539 scientific papers containing the words "global
> climate change" and published between January 2004 and February 2007 found
> not a single one that provided any evidence that "global warming" would be
> catastrophic.

Ahahahahahahah... That's because the papers weren't randomly selected, and
because the science of warming is so fully integrated in every other
scientific field, that the term crops up everywhere, even in the science of
molecular entomology.

Poor, Desparate Bonzo. Wants so much for his KKKonservative ideology to
suceed, he will say anything, but all it has done is destroy the collapsing
AmeriKKKan state.

Here is what his AmeriKKKan brothers are saying.



November 25, 2008


Bloodshed and Death is coming to American Businessmen

In my 46 years on this Earth, I have never had to write such a frightening
Op-Ed piece as this. Sadly, the state of affairs inside the US and its
business community is such that remaining silent is no longer an option.

Put bluntly, bloodshed and death is coming. Brutal, violent, merciless.
Perpetrated with malice aforethought. If I am right, many of you business
folks - especially the folks at the top - are going to be the ones doing the
bleeding and the dying.

How we got to this point is simple. How we stop it from happening is not so
simple; but there is still a small window of opportunity which may help
avert
this.

It began with NAFTA and GATT. The whole "free trade" movement was
sales-pitched to us common folk as a way to break down trade barriers so
American products could be sold overseas with greater ease and
competitiveness. The pitch told us that it would help American companies and
increase American jobs. That sales pitch was a deliberate lie.

What was really afoot was a way for American corporations to significantly
reduce their manufacturing costs by opening state-of-the-art facilities in
third world countries, hiring third-world workers at pittance pay with no
benefits, while maintaining sales prices. This allowed you folks to pocket
huge additional profits.

Next, you corporate folks decided to jump on the "Diversity" bandwagon,
Diversity replaced merit. Corporate productivity slid but no one could dare
step up to say why for fear of being fired as a racist.

Diversity became and end unto itself and ultimately it was the straight,
white
male who suffered most. Straight white males were intentionally passed-over
for jobs and promotions. When "downsizing" took place, it was the straight,
white male cut loose so "diversity" could be maintained.

The last straw - and by far the worst betrayal - was the intentional use of
illegal aliens and the intentional importation of foreign, cheap labor under
the H1-B Visa system. Companies even went so far as to send their Human
Resources people to seminars offered by law firms so they could learn
precisely how to disqualify Americans for available jobs, in favor of
importing foreigners!

Well, ladies and gentlemen of the business community, the chickens have now
come home to roost.

Vast numbers of unemployed Americans, unable to pay their mortgages after
losing jobs, began defaulting, causing foreclosures to rise.

Vast numbers of illegal aliens who were also given mortgages (by banks who
feared being labeled racists if they declined to lend), defaulted on their
mortgages too. This caused even more foreclosures.

As foreclosures grew, they affected the value of nearby homes whose owners
suddenly found out they owed more than their homes were worth! When their
mortgage companies demanded large, lump sum payments to pay down the excess
mortgage, those folks could not pay and. . . . were foreclosed upon.

Long story short, these foreclosures caused the banking system to contract,
which caused the credit markets to dry up, which caused everything else to
go
in the crapper. That's where we are today.

Where we're heading is unlike anything you can imagine.

Unlike the great depression of the 1930's, people today are quite well
educated. We know exactly how this trouble happened and exactly who is to
blame: YOU. The corporate hot shots who put profit over country; who put
greed
above loyalty and who cared not one wit about who was displaced, who was
harmed, or who got shafted.

Unlike the great depression, people today have lost a lot more than just
their
jobs and homes. They've lost their retirement nest eggs, their children's
college funds and worst of all, any chance at a better future. Therein lies
a
recipe for violence;. and folks, violence is coming - right at you.

You see, folks of today understand that allowing the great depression of the
1930's to take place without retribution against those who caused it, set
the
stage for this latest financial screw job.

As any parent can tell you, when being nice over bad behavior fails to stop
such behavior, one must resort to punishing bad behavior to prevent future
bad
acts.

Punishment for what you have done is your due and folks out here in the real
world are preparing to deliver it - right to your physical person on the
doorstep of your offices and homes.

Thanks to the internet, we know who the CEO's and CFO's of all your
companies
are. We know who is on every Board of Directors. Thanks to information
services like Intellius.com, we also know where all of you live. ALL of you.

Americans who have lost everything, have no reservation whatsoever about
coming after you to inflict violence for wrecking their lives and our
nation.
In fact, I personally know of a "movement" of several groups actively
recruiting the destitute from make-shift homeless centers, with the
intention
of organizing criminal violence against you. Groups like the Ku Klux Klan,
Aryan Nations, Nazis and White racist skinheads are seeing staggering growth
in membership. I know. I've seen it with my own eyes. And you know what? I
agree with "the movement" because I think what you've done stinks.

I will proudly stand with those groups when the time comes.

These groups are folks, right here in America, who have nothing left. They
have lost everything, including all hope. They do not fear the police, jail
or
death. They certainly don't fear you.


More interesting, many of the people now facing utter destitution are US
military veterans and they are helping the aforementioned groups prepare for
what's coming. Through their contacts in the military, veterans in the
groups
mentioned above have gained access to automatic weapons, armor piercing
ammunition, grenades, C4 plastic explosives, anti-personnel mines,
rocket-propelled grenades and more!

I personally know one former US Army Combat Engineer in the National
Alliance.
I can't even begin to describe how helpful he has been to "the movement."

If you want an example of how frighteningly effective this movement has
become, I can tell you for an absolute fact that the US Secret Service had
to
emergency-deploy eight (8) sniper teams around Grant Park in Chicago, IL on
election night because a member of "the movement" was reportedly headed down
there with military Mortars to attack and kill Barack Obama and his
supporters! That's how bold, how brazen, how incredibly dangerous things are
getting!

What good will the police or your corporate security forces be against these
types of dedicated and committed, angry people? What good are the "safe
rooms"
you've built in your homes or office buildings when C4 and RPG's can blow
right through them?

Last year, a listener to my talk radio show who is a gunsmith, thought I
might
like having an illegal silencer for my gun. He built one and shipped it to
me!
I have pictures to prove it!

Was it illegal? Yes. Did he care? No. Did I care? I won't say.

You have no idea how bad things are getting out here in real America. Trust
me, if you don't do something now to step up and help the average people of
this country, by the time you find out exactly how bad things are, it will
be
too late for you.

So I think you corporate folks would do well to seriously reconsider your
actions over the past
15 - 20 years and decide whether you're going to help America or continue
lining your own pockets? Are you going to bring the jobs back to America or
continue using third world labor as your country collapses? Are you going to
stop this bad behavior or are you going to have to be punished?

If you need help deciding, just ask yourself this: What good is all your
wealth if an uprising of angry white males leaves you too dead to spend it?
Oh, and if you think an uprising can't happen here, think again.

The bullet-resistant vests worn by police and your corporate security do not
protect them from the paralyzing effects of a Tazer. Once the cops and
security people are neutralized, your guns and those of the angry white
males
can do their thing. Since there are more of us than you, we win.

There's a fight coming. The cops can't stop it. The lawyers can't stop it.
The
courts can't stop it. The military is spread too thin around the world to be
of any consequence and the government is too broke to fund any more homeland
security.

But this fight doesn't have to happen. It can be avoided with a little
national loyalty and a little compassion.

Get your Board of Directors together and ask what your company can do to
help
America for the next 24 months? Talk to your stockholders and ask their
permission to cut dividends by half for the sole purpose of hiring more
AMERICANS to jobs here in America.

Go on TV and tell the public what you're doing to make things better HERE,
at
home! You can recover from the horrid reputation you've gotten, and help
resolve the horrid situation you have created if you'll only take some time
to
do the right things for the COUNTRY. A little corporate sacrifice will go a
long way to help a lot of us little people. The gratitude and admiration it
will generate will be priceless.

Of course, you are free to continue being impressed with yourselves as
masters
of the universe and keep right on doing what you've been doing. If that is
your intention, then know now:
The jig is up. Either get right with white males and America, or get your
affairs in order.


Hal Turner


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5. Date: 2008-11-27 04:39:05
Subject: Re: Indonesia's Climate Follows the Sun
From: "V for Vendicar" <E...@h...com> Search message by this author



Here are the global average temperatures since 1958. "o" = trend line.

Look at all those "o"'s lined up there. The trend is up, Up, UP.

And most recently the rate of increase is about 2'C per century.

View with mono spaced font.

1958 14.08 *******o***************
1959 14.06 ********o************
1960 13.99 *********o******
1961 14.08 **********o************
1962 14.04 ***********o********
1963 14.08 ************o**********
1964 13.79 **===========o
1965 13.89 *********====o
1966 13.97 **************o
1967 14.00 ***************o*
1968 13.96 **************==o
1969 14.08 *****************o*****
1970 14.03 ******************o
1971 13.90 **********=========o
1972 14.00 *****************===o
1973 14.14 ********************o******
1974 13.92 ***********==========o
1975 13.95 *************=========o
1976 13.84 ******=================o
1977 14.13 ************************o*
1978 14.02 ******************=======o
1979 14.09 ***********************===o
1980 14.18 ***************************o**
1981 14.27 ****************************o*******
1982 14.05 ********************========o
1983 14.26 *****************************o*****
1984 14.09 ***********************=======o
1985 14.06 *********************==========o
1986 14.13 **************************======o
1987 14.27 *********************************o**
1988 14.31 **********************************o****
1989 14.19 ******************************=====o
1990 14.38 ************************************o*******
1991 14.35 ************************************o****
1992 14.12 *************************============o
1993 14.14 ****************************===========o
1994 14.24 **********************************=====o
1995 14.38 ****************************************o***
1996 14.30 **************************************===o
1997 14.40 ******************************************o**
1998 14.57 *******************************************o********
*****
1999 14.33 ****************************************===o
2000 14.33 ****************************************====o
2001 14.48 *********************************************o*****
2002 14.56 **********************************************o*****
****
2003 14.55 ***********************************************o****
***
2004 14.49 ************************************************o**
2005 14.62 *************************************************o**
********
2006 14.54 **************************************************o*
***
2007 14.56 ***************************************************o
*****
-------------------------------------------> Temperature

Correlation Coefficient .8529209

Source NASAS ->
http://data.giss.nasa.gov:80/gistemp/tabledata/GLB.T
s+dSST.txt

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5VMu14mBXAs





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