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> "Tunderbar" <t...@g...com> wrote in message
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> On Mar 26, 10:57 am, Roger Coppock <r...@a...com> wrote:
>> Huge Chunk Of Antarctic Ice Collapses
>> Global Warming Blamed For Ice Shelf Collapse That Puts Larger Area At
>> Risk
>> Please see:
>> ttp://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2008/03/25/tech/main39
68165.shtml
>
> It's the end of summer in the southern hemisphere. It happens.
> Cite please.
ROTFLMAO.
Read the rest of the article and you will read the following ...
QUOTE: "Much of the continent is not warming and some parts are even
cooling, Vaughan said. However, the western peninsula, which includes
the Wilkins ice shelf, juts out into the ocean and is warming. "
ALSO NB:
There is a small area of significant warming in the peninsula that
points towards South America, but this is less than 2% of Antarctica's
total land mass.
Extract From: More Ice Than Ever In Antarctica
Patrick J. Michaels
February 5, 2008
http://canadafreepress.com/index.php/article/1727
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Warmest Regards
Bonzo
". researchers at the Max Planck Institute for Solar Research in Germany
report the sun has been burning more brightly over the last 60 years,
accounting for the 1 degree Celsius increase in Earth's temperature over
the last 100 years."
http://ibdeditorial.com/IBDArticles.aspx?id=28727941
2587175
"00BNZ" <0...@d...com> wrote
> ". researchers at the Max Planck Institute for Solar Research in Germany
> report the sun has been burning more brightly over the last 60 years,
> accounting for the 1 degree Celsius increase in Earth's temperature over
> the last 100 years."
Sorry Bonzo, that quote is a lie, and you have been Knowingly posting that
lie for over a month now.
"00BNZ" <0...@d...com> wrote in message
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> "Ouroboros_Rex" <i...@c...com> wrote in message
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>> "Tunderbar" <t...@g...com> wrote in message
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>> On Mar 26, 10:57 am, Roger Coppock <r...@a...com> wrote:
>>> Huge Chunk Of Antarctic Ice Collapses
>>> Global Warming Blamed For Ice Shelf Collapse That Puts Larger Area At
>>> Risk
>>> Please see:
>>> ttp://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2008/03/25/tech/main39
68165.shtml
>>
>> It's the end of summer in the southern hemisphere. It happens.
>> Cite please.
>
>
>
> ROTFLMAO.
> Read the rest of the article and you will read the following ...
>
> QUOTE: "Much of the continent is not warming and some parts are even
> cooling, Vaughan said. However, the western peninsula, which includes the
> Wilkins ice shelf, juts out into the ocean and is warming. "
>
>
>
>
> ALSO NB:
> There is a small area of significant warming in the peninsula that points
> towards South America, but this is less than 2% of Antarctica's total land
> mass.
>
> Extract From: More Ice Than Ever In Antarctica
>
> Patrick J. Michaels
ROFLMAO
Sorry, no 'it happens' there. As usual, the denialist has nothing.
"Ouroboros_Rex" <i...@c...com> wrote in message
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> "00BNZ" <0...@d...com> wrote in message
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>> "Ouroboros_Rex" <i...@c...com> wrote in message
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>>> "Tunderbar" <t...@g...com> wrote in message
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>>> On Mar 26, 10:57 am, Roger Coppock <r...@a...com> wrote:
>>>> Huge Chunk Of Antarctic Ice Collapses
>>>> Global Warming Blamed For Ice Shelf Collapse That Puts Larger Area
>>>> At
>>>> Risk
>>>> Please see:
>>>> ttp://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2008/03/25/tech/main39
68165.shtml
>>>
>>> It's the end of summer in the southern hemisphere. It happens.
>>> Cite please.
>>
>>
>>
>> ROTFLMAO.
>> Read the rest of the article and you will read the following ...
>>
>> QUOTE: "Much of the continent is not warming and some parts are even
>> cooling, Vaughan said. However, the western peninsula, which includes
>> the Wilkins ice shelf, juts out into the ocean and is warming. "
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> ALSO NB:
>> There is a small area of significant warming in the peninsula that
>> points towards South America, but this is less than 2% of
>> Antarctica's total land mass.
>>
>> Extract From: More Ice Than Ever In Antarctica
>>
>> Patrick J. Michaels
>
> ROFLMAO
>
> Sorry, no 'it happens' there. As usual, the denialist has nothing.
Antarctica Ain't Cooperating.
February 27, 2008
Antarctica stubbornly refuses to cooperate with global warming hysteria.
http://www.worldclimatereport.com/index.php/2008/02/
27/antarctica-ain%e2%80%99t-cooperating/
We have kidded from time to time about renaming World Climate Report to
World Hurricane Report given all the evidence we encounter in the
professional literature discrediting the claim of more frequent and
intense hurricanes. If we decided to never again report on hurricanes,
our next most popular topic would be Antarctica.
Literally thousands of websites on global warming claim that the icecaps
are melting at an unprecedented rate due to emissions of greenhouse
gases (particularly from the United States), and in case you cannot
picture what that looks like, the sites feature an endless number of
pictures of blocks of ice floating away from Antarctica (the really
effective pictures have a few penguins floating away as well). National
Geographic magazine featured a cover story entitled "The Big Thaw," and
based on what you would see in that issue, you would think there is
absolutely no debate about rapid and undesirable changes occurring in
Antarctica all due to the dreaded global warming phenomenon. As we have
shown over and over, nothing could be further from the truth!
When discussing changes (or the lack thereof) in Antarctica, the United
Nations Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change (IPCC) most clearly
states in their 2007 summary report "Antarctic sea ice extent continues
to show inter-annual variability and localized changes but no
statistically significant average trends, consistent with the lack of
warming reflected in atmospheric temperatures averaged across the
region." Furthermore, IPCC just as clearly states "Current global model
studies project that the Antarctic ice sheet will remain too cold for
widespread surface melting and is expected to gain in mass due to
increased snowfall." It would take anyone with internet access no more
than a few seconds to download the summary from the IPCC website, but
once again, the facts are too inconvenient regarding what is reportedly
happening in Antarctica according to the greenhouse advocates.
Another major article on temperature trends in the Antarctic has
appeared in a recent issue of the Journal of Geophysical Research by a
team of scientists from Ohio State University, the University of
Illinois, and the Goddard Space Flight Center; the research was funded
by the National Science Foundation Office of Polar Programs Glaciology
Program. Monaghan et al. begin their lengthy (21 pages - quite long for
geophysics) article noting that a previous research team studying
Antarctica examined "station temperature records for the past 50 years
and report statistically insignificant temperature fluctuations over
continental Antarctica excluding the Antarctic Peninsula, with the
exception of Amundsen-Scott South Pole Station, which cooled by -0.17 K
decade-1 for 1958-2000." That is correct - despite all you have heard
elsewhere on the subject, the South Pole has been cooling over the past
half century. The previous research team also reported that any warming
in Antarctica has slowed and the cooling has accelerated in the more
recent three decades.
According to Monaghan et al., yet another team previously examined
Antarctic temperatures and "note that prior to 1965 the continent-wide
annual trends (through 2002) are slightly positive, but after 1965 they
are mainly negative (despite warming over the Antarctic Peninsula)." One
of the authors of the Monaghan et al. group had previously examined
trends in temperature "inferred from skin temperatures from Advanced
Very High Resolution Radiometer (AVHRR) instruments on polar orbiting
satellites" and found "a statistically insignificant cooling trend over
continental Antarctica from 1982 to 1998." Monaghan et al. further note
"recent literature suggests there has been little overall change in
Antarctic near-surface temperature during the past 5 decades" and "the
absence of widespread Antarctic temperature increases is consistent with
studies showing little overall change in other Antarctic climate
indicators during the past 50 years such as sea ice area and snowfall."
OK, you get the message - Antarctica is definitely not cooperating with
this greenhouse scare!
Monaghan fairly note that there is still uncertainty "because of the
sparse network of continuous, long-term near-surface temperature records
(about 15 stations on a continent 1 1/2 times as large as the United
States), there is still considerable uncertainty as to (1) the spatial
and temporal variability of Antarctic near-surface temperature trends
and (2) whether the existing network of stations provides a temperature
record that is representative of the entire continent." Accordingly,
they introduce a new method for using existing temperature records,
atmospheric circulation variables, topography, and a sophisticated
interpolation method to build a better temperature representation for
the continent.
Now for the bottom line relevant to us. As seen in the figure below
(Figure 1), the various Antarctic-wide temperature patterns are very
highly correlated (the new datasets are the "RECON" designation). The
authors have various versions of their "RECON" time series depending on
several decisions made by the team, but the bottom line is obvious, the
is little evidence for warming in Antarctica! They state "All records
correlate significantly with all other records during all seasons from
1982 to 2001. Near-surface temperature trends are statistically
insignificant (p >0.05) on annual timescales within every data set
analyzed, for both the longer (1960-2002) and shorter (1982-2001)
periods."
Figure 1. Annual Antarctic near-surface temperature (K) anomalies (with
respect to the 1980-1999 mean) for various data sets for (a) 1950-2005
and (b) 1980-2005. The new temperature datasets developed in the 2008
article are labeled "RECON" (from Monaghan et al., 2008).
Literally hundreds of articles could appear tomorrow re-confirming their
results, the IPCC could continue to report emphatically that Antarctica
is not warming (and may well be cooling), and somehow, this will all
translate into claims that "Antarctica is warming and melting." The
truth from Antarctica is hard for the greenhouse crusade to accept
(although certainly they try hard to fit it in), and in the long run,
the truth from Antarctica might melt away the flimsy, well-publicized
claims about global climate change-especially the concerns of a rapid
sea level rise.
Reference:
Monaghan, A. J., D. H. Bromwich, W. Chapman, and J. C. Comiso (2008),
Recent variability and trends of Antarctic near-surface temperature,
Journal of Geophysical Research, 113, D04105, doi:10.1029/2007JD009094.
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Bonzo
"Attributing global climate change to human CO2 production is akin to
trying to diagnose an automotive problem by ignoring the engine
(analogous to the Sun in the climate system) and the transmission (water
vapour) and instead focusing entirely, not on one nut on a rear wheel,
which would be analogous to total CO2, but on one thread on that nut,
which represents the human contribution." Dr. Timothy Ball, Chairman of
the Natural Resources Stewardship Project (NRSP.com), Former Professor
Of Climatology, University of Winnipeg
"00BNZ" <0...@d...com> wrote
> Antarctica Ain't Cooperating.
> February 27, 2008
> Antarctica stubbornly refuses to cooperate with global warming hysteria.
> http://www.worldclimatereport.com/index.php/2008/02/
27/antarctica-ain%e2%80%99t-cooperating/
That is the view of the Oil industry.
Now here is the view of Science.
NASA finds evidence of widespread Antarctic melting
Last Updated: Wednesday, May 16, 2007 | 10:04 AM ET
Rising temperatures two years ago led to widespread melting of snow cover in
west Antarctica, according to scientists examining the impact of global
warming on the icy continent.
The melting of snow cover in regions in January 2005 was the most
significant Antarctic melting seen since satellites began observing the
continent three decades ago, NASA said Tuesday.
NASA's QuikScat satellite detected extensive areas of snowmelt, shown in
yellow and red, in west Antarctica in January 2005.
(NASA/JPL) It was also the first major melting detected using NASA's
QuikScat satellite, which can measure both accumulated snowfall and
temperatures in various regions.
The team of scientists found evidence of melting in regions not normally
affected: up to 900 kilometres inland from the open ocean, farther than 85
degrees south (within 500 kilometres of the South Pole) and higher than
2,000 metres above sea level.
QuikScat found maximum air temperatures at the time of melting were
unusually high, reaching more than 5 C in one of the areas. These maximum
temperatures remained above the melting point for approximately a week.
The researchers were led by Son Nghiem of NASA's Jet Propulsion Laboratory
and Konrad Steffen, the director of the Co-operative Institute for Research
in Environmental Sciences at the University of Colorado. They published
their results in a book, Dynamic Planet.
"Antarctica has shown little to no warming in the recent past, with the
exception of the Antarctic Peninsula, but now large regions are showing the
first signs of the impacts of warming as interpreted by this satellite
analysis," said Steffen in a statement.
"Increases in snowmelt, such as this in 2005, definitely could have an
impact on larger-scale melting of Antarctica's ice sheets if they were
severe or sustained over time."
The 2005 melt was extensive enough to create a layer of ice when the water
refroze, but was not long enough for the water to flow to the sea. Steffen
said if enough water from melted snow is created, it could slip through the
cracks of the continent's ice sheets and potentially affect their movement.
The Antarctic ice mass is the Earth's largest freshwater reserve, and
changes in its condition can have an impact on sea levels, ocean salinity
and water currents.
"We need to know what's coming in and going out of the ice sheets," said
Ngheim.
"QuikScat data, combined with data from NASA's IceSat and Gravity Recovery
and Climate Experiment satellites, along with aircraft and ground
measurements, all contribute to more accurate estimates of how the polar ice
sheets are changing."
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