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On Fri, 21 Nov 2008 15:04:14 +0000, MANFRED the heat seeking OBOE wrote:
> Curly Surmudgeon
>> Ok, already, I accepted Hillary as evil. I also responded that it was
>> unlikely that she'd get a serious post in the Obama White House so let's
>> move on.
>>
>> Who else do you fear and how do they affect an Obama White House?
>
>
> NO Clinton administration member is acceptable. NONE. PERIOD.
That's pretty silly, blaming an entire group for the policies of Bill
Clinton. There were/are many highly capable people in Bill's
administration who gained a lot of experience. Experience that is sorely
needed now.
> 1. Because they stood by as SO MANY people in Rwanda were murdered and
> dumped in the rivers that they saw the course of rivers change
> from satellite imagery. They did nothing because it was Africa.
>
> This demonstrates their belief that 'some' should be
> sacrifice so that 'others' may live.
>
>
> 2. Because they stood by as the Clinton Administration quibbled over
> what type of tape to use on OBL's beard and built a special
> chair for his capture -- a capture they knew would never come.
>
> This demonstrates their acquiescence to the belief that the
> Guilty should be rewarded, that the Innocent should be punished (by#1),
> that the mediocre, the unworthy and the depraved should be championed.
>
>
> 3. Because they stood by as over 70 hours of Russian Intercepts of
> Bill Clinton's phone sex was made known and they did NOT enact a
> transition of power for his incapacity.
>
> Bill Clinton's paranoia, erratic behavior, purple faced rage are
> medical facts, matched only by his contradictory executive orders
> 'which could not be enacted' without significant penalty of law.
>
>
> 4. Because they left the White House in a vandalized state.
>
> Vandalism, theft and pranks did occur in the 2000 transition.
> This speaks volumes. This speaks for itself.
>
>
> 5. Because they stood by as Bill Clinton granted clemency to convicted
> terrorists who murdered American Citizens.
>
> Is there any combination of food and poison which results
> in anything but death? He granted clemency for temporary
> political which is a betrayal most foul.
>
> A cabinet member who stood by and did absolutely nothing
> would have no problem granting clemency to William Ayers.
> You can COUNT ON that happening in the Obama-bin-Biden administration.
>
>
> How many times do we have to attempt
> the same thing expecting a different result?
> Why should people, in times of crisis, do Absolutely Nothing?
>
>
> STRANGE we NEED?
> Taste the PsychoDRAMA. Evil has a new Champion.
> Supporting him "constitutes material cooperation with intrinsic evil."
> http://www.strangecosmos.com/images/content/109562.j
pg
>
> ---
> LIB's plead for a Morality which holds COMPROMISE as it's standard of
> Value, making it possible to judge Virtue on the basis of the number of
> Values which one is willing to Betray.
You're spitting venom, just as the Bushbots do at any idea to the left of
Attilla the Hun. Now I understand why the link above includes the rights
resident asshole, alt.rush-limbaugh. Don't work yourself into a frenzy,
that is not "The Way It Should Be."
His/your politics of villifying people on a possible future is part of
what is bringing down our once-great nation. Swallow your tongue until
Obama actually gains office and fucks up in reality, not in your mind.
Grant him the same slack Bushbots demanded, and got, from a lot of us.
This time I'll be quicker to jump on him, I waited until 2003 to turn on
Bush. It won't take that long next time so rest assured that Obama is
going to be carefully scrutinized but having a coronary over Clintons
decisions and actions is just plain stupid.
--
Regards, Curly
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On Fri, 21 Nov 2008 04:56:48 -0600, John Galt wrote:
> Curly Surmudgeon wrote:
>> On Thu, 20 Nov 2008 23:01:16 -0600, John Galt wrote:
>>
>>> Not yet. There is fiscal sanity out there, but not among career politicians.
>>
>> Yes, politicians too but they are exceedingly rare. I can only think of
>> two now in office that are fiscally conservative, Ron Paul and Tom
>> McClintock.
>
> There are others, but you're citing *uncompromising* fiscal conservatives.
Some things shouldn't be compromised.
> In politics, the problem is that those who do not compromise tend not to
> be effective.
No argument, that is a conundrum, but one I loathe to back away from.
Fiscal conservativism is a worthy character trait. How to package it for
public consumption is a problem not yet successfully resolved.
>> The problem is that most politicians are liars. People have become
>> used to liars so they tend to ignore anyone out of the ordinary. That
>> includes the very few honest fiscal conservatives.
>
> Lying or compromising? We're perhaps using different words for the same
> observation.
Dunno about you but I differentiate between the two. "Compromising," to
me, is more akin to "pragmatism." Pragmatism and altruism are very
dangerous habits when armed with the inherent coercive force of government.
I will not tolerate a liar. At the same time I often grant slack in the
charge, until a pattern of behavior is displayed. In my opinion it is not
necessarily lying when someone changes their position. For instance I was
once an avid death penalty advocate, now I am strongly opposed. I changed
my views, my previous position wasn't a "lie". I simply decided that it
was too dangerous to allow "government" to execute its citizens. Power is
always abused and legislative creep was legislating the death penalty for
additional crimes.
Compromise is indeed mandatory but not at the cost of core ethics. It is
a very thin path between retaining integrity and compromise.
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On Fri, 21 Nov 2008 06:03:30 -0600, John Galt wrote:
> Who is John Galt wrote:
>> John Galt wrote:
>>> Curly Surmudgeon wrote:
>>>> On Thu, 20 Nov 2008 17:57:44 -0600, John Galt wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> Curly Surmudgeon wrote:
>>>>>> On Thu, 20 Nov 2008 17:07:23 -0600, John Galt wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Curly Surmudgeon wrote:
>>>>>>>> On Thu, 20 Nov 2008 13:25:28 -0600, John Galt wrote:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Curly Surmudgeon wrote:
>>>>>>>>>> On Wed, 19 Nov 2008 11:55:41 -0800, Sal wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> Obama Embraces Old Clintoon Re-treads
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> Summers...Rubin...Greenspan...the 3 buccaneers who were the
>>>>>>>>>>> architects of the current financial meltdown. Obama opts for
>>>>>>>>>>> more of
>>>>>>>>>>> the same old crap.
>>>>>>>>>>> Change? BWhahahahahah...you've been had, sucka!
>>>>>>>>>> You Bush wackos don't quit, even when you lost due to
>>>>>>>>>> incompetence, do
>>>>>>>>>> you?
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Nor do you realize that workers don't set policy, the president
>>>>>>>>>> does.
>>>>>>>>>> Well, in all presidencies other than Bush's the president sets
>>>>>>>>>> policy.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Underlings carry out the president's policy. Getting
>>>>>>>>>> secretaries and
>>>>>>>>>> filling other appointed jobs with people of experience is a very
>>>>>>>>>> positive thing. You've been corrupted by 8 years of Bush being
>>>>>>>>>> led by
>>>>>>>>>> the nose by neocons and right wing religious wackos.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Come back to earth, this is how the world is _supposed_ to work.
>>>>>>>>> Are you seriously suggesting that a professional person would
>>>>>>>>> take a
>>>>>>>>> job making far less than he or she is today
>>>>>>>> Yes, I am. People of integrity work for many reasons, money are but
>>>>>>>> one.
>>>>>>> How does a person of integrity promote policies for which they
>>>>>>> disagree?
>>>>>>> I'd suggest that there's an oxymoron in that idea.
>>>>>> What makes you think the appointees disagree with Obama's policies?
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> if all they were going to do is be
>>>>>>>>> was a talking head for a person and policies that they disagree
>>>>>>>>> with?
>>>>>>>> Hypothetical and based upon an erroneous assumption.
>>>>>>> How? You're suggesting that professionals would support and promote
>>>>>>> policies they disagree with. Since money is not in the equation
>>>>>>> there, the
>>>>>>> only reason they would do so is ego and/or power; and certainly
>>>>>>> we've had
>>>>>>> enough of those types over the last eight years. (A cabinet of Dick
>>>>>>> Cheneys does not inspire me.)
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Come on. These people are being selected because they're
>>>>>>>>> sympatico with
>>>>>>>>> the direction Obama wants to take the US, e.g.,
>>>>>>>> Most probably, yes.
>>>>>>> Then their personal views can be take as indicative of the
>>>>>>> policies that
>>>>>>> Obama wishes to take. I thought that was the suggestion you were
>>>>>>> rejecting.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> JG
>>>>>> "Personal views" are not relevant when in conflict with the
>>>>>> policies of
>>>>>> the President. If they do not subscribe and work toward Obama's goals
>>>>>> then they'll be fired. If they remain then they will adhere to the
>>>>>> President's agenda.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Workers are free to disagree with the boss as long as they keep it
>>>>>> internalized and do their jobs. You seem to think the appointments
>>>>>> will
>>>>>> franchise appointees to pursue their own agenda, it doesn't work
>>>>>> that way.
>>>>> That's not at all what I think.
>>>>
>>>> Good, thanks for clearing that up.
>>>>
>>>>> What I think is that the policies previously supported by the
>>>>> appointees are indicative of what policies Obama will support --
>>>>> AND, up to this point, they indicate a very centrist (some may even
>>>>> say more conservative) economic package than seen under Bush.
>>>>
>>>> I see nothing wrong with economic conservativism although Obama being
>>>> _for_ an automaker bailout doesn't fit that position. As far and I'm
>>>> concerned the jury is still out on Obama, I give him some slack because
>>>> it's going to take an enormous effort to repair the damage done by Bush.
>>>
>>> Concur. My hope is that GM does indeed run out of cash prior to 1/20.
>>>>
>>>>> (Or, perhaps the right descriptors would be "prudent" and/or
>>>>> "consistent".)
>>>>
>>>> "Consistancy" is indeed the pattern of Obama and one I agree with. I'm
>>>> still waiting to get a better feel of his direction though.
>>>
>>> Well, it's become interesting. Pelosi has been channeling Reagan
>>> talking about needing massive tax cuts because of the economy, she
>>> told Detroit today to show a detailed recovery plan before she shows
>>> them any money, and Rangel is channeling McCain and sponsoring a
>>> corporate tax cut to
>>
>> You mean Charlie Wrangle the TAX EVADER that evaded taxes like AL
>> Capone? Why would he want to cut taxes, he doesn't pay them until he's
>> caught for TAX evasion. Then he gets a "get out of jail free" card....
>> So far that's not *CHANGE* that's business as usual in the Democrat
>> Congress.
>>
>> What happened to Nancy Pelosi's "Most ethical Congress in History"?
>
> Well, THAT went by the wayside...... :-)
Right alongside Bush's "Compassionate Conservatives".
> JG
>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>> 28.5% in order to increase american competitiveness.
>>>
>>> I keep walking around in a circle saying to myself "Damn. And I though
>>> I LOST this election......" :-)
>>>
>>> The Dems have been possessed by Milton Friedman, it seems.
>>>
>>> JG
>>>
>>>
>>>>
>>>>> JG
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Clintonianism without (hopefully) the drama.
>>>>>>>> That's yet to be proven. Obama isn't even in office yet, give him
>>>>>>>> the same chance bushbots demanded for Bush.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> JG
>>>>>>>>
>>>>
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Curly Surmudgeon <c...@l...com> wrote:
>On Wed, 19 Nov 2008 11:55:41 -0800, Sal wrote:
>
>>
>> Obama Embraces Old Clintoon Re-treads
>>
>> Summers...Rubin...Greenspan...the 3 buccaneers who were the
architects of
>> the current financial meltdown. Obama opts for more of the same old
crap.
>> Change? BWhahahahahah...you've been had, sucka!
>
>You Bush wackos don't quit, even when you lost due to incompetence, do
you?
>
I detest Bush, you half-witted party-bot retard. The whole point
is that your messiah, Obama, is not likely to be a helluva lot
better and the whole "change" mantra is a friggin' HOAX. You
brain-dead liberals love him because he's part African so you
can't see beyond the B.S. There will be no real change unless
the corrupted political system that currently exists either
collapses or is overthrown. Enjoy your ride into the abyss along
with all the other Obamaniacs.
On Fri, 21 Nov 2008 11:25:56 -0800, Sal wrote:
>
> Curly Surmudgeon <c...@l...com> wrote:
>
> >On Wed, 19 Nov 2008 11:55:41 -0800, Sal wrote:
> >
> >>
> >> Obama Embraces Old Clintoon Re-treads
> >>
> >> Summers...Rubin...Greenspan...the 3 buccaneers who were the
> architects of
> >> the current financial meltdown. Obama opts for more of the same old
> crap.
> >> Change? BWhahahahahah...you've been had, sucka!
> >
>
> >You Bush wackos don't quit, even when you lost due to incompetence, do
> you?
> >
>
> I detest Bush, you half-witted party-bot retard. The whole point
> is that your messiah, Obama,
Assuming incorrectly sends you off on a wrong path. I did not vote for
Obama however he is the President-elect. Deal with it.
> is not likely to be a helluva lot
> better and the whole "change" mantra is a friggin' HOAX. You
> brain-dead liberals love him because he's part African so you
> can't see beyond the B.S. There will be no real change unless
> the corrupted political system that currently exists either
> collapses or is overthrown. Enjoy your ride into the abyss along
> with all the other Obamaniacs.
Obviously you don't know my politics, don't assume. That's a tendency of
the ditto-heads, to make up shit then rant about their fantasies.
Obama won. Or rather McCain lost. Same impact. Let's deal with
restoring teh dignity and economic health of America lost under the Bush
administration.
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Curly Surmudgeon
>MANFRED the heat seeking OBOE wrote:
>> Curly Surmudgeon
>>> Ok, already, I accepted Hillary as evil. I also responded that it was
>>> unlikely that she'd get a serious post in the Obama White House so let's
>>> move on.
>>>
>>> Who else do you fear and how do they affect an Obama White House?
>>
>>
>> NO Clinton administration member is acceptable. NONE. PERIOD.
>
> That's pretty silly, blaming an entire group for the policies of Bill
> Clinton. There were/are many highly capable people in Bill's
> administration who gained a lot of experience. Experience that is sorely
> needed now.
That sounds DANGEROUSLY CLOSE to
Bill Clinton's "GOOD GERMAN" defense of Saddam Hussein's secret police!!!
http://newsbusters.org/node/2863
Bill Clinton's 'Good German' Defense of Saddam's Aides
There are two absolutely extraordinary aspects of this story. One is that
Bill Clinton, a former President of the United States, offered the “good
German” defense of the murderers, torturers, and rapists who worked for
Saddam Hussein, and he did so on foreign soil. ...
"When [the U.S.] kicked out Saddam, they decided to dismantle the
whole authority structure," Clinton told an audience at American
University in Dubai. "Most of the people who were part of that structure
were good, decent people who were making the best out of a very bad
situation," he added.
LIBs not only sponsor our Adversaries,
they actively defend them as well.
On Nov 19, 8:57 pm, "The Atomic Brain" <a...@w...net> wrote:
> "greylock" <s...@c...net> wrote in message
>
> news:1hg9i41s839js238kicvln7cb78jekgk8e@4ax.com...
>
> > Obama comes out of he the Chicago political machine. He is corrupt and
> > also - on his record - incompetent to be trusted with public money.
>
> > He enriches his cronies and his "projects" are uniformly disasters.
>
> > The media pretty much prevented the American public from finding this
> > out before the election.
>
> So what's Bush's excuse?
We knew Bush has failed his oil business prior to his winning his
first national election. The media didn't keep that a secret at all.
The real issue with Bush's election was the alternatives. First Gore,
then Kerry. We made a conscious decision to go with a loser.
Not so with O'Bama.
h...@h...com wrote:
> On Nov 19, 8:57 pm, "The Atomic Brain" <a...@w...net> wrote:
>> "greylock" <s...@c...net> wrote in message
>>
>> news:1hg9i41s839js238kicvln7cb78jekgk8e@4ax.com...
>>
>>> Obama comes out of he the Chicago political machine. He is corrupt
>>> and also - on his record - incompetent to be trusted with public
>>> money.
>>
>>> He enriches his cronies and his "projects" are uniformly disasters.
>>
>>> The media pretty much prevented the American public from finding
>>> this out before the election.
>>
>> So what's Bush's excuse?
>
> We knew Bush has failed his oil business prior to his winning his
> first national election. The media didn't keep that a secret at all.
>
> The real issue with Bush's election was the alternatives. First Gore,
> then Kerry. We made a conscious decision to go with a loser.
>
> Not so with O'Bama.
Exactly so.
Unlike the result in the Bush appointment in 2000 or his win in 2004, the
best man won in 2008.
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Dick
Dick 'Tater wrote on 11/23/08 10:45 AM:
> h...@h...com wrote:
>> On Nov 19, 8:57 pm, "The Atomic Brain" <a...@w...net> wrote:
>>> "greylock" <s...@c...net> wrote in message
>>>
>>> news:1hg9i41s839js238kicvln7cb78jekgk8e@4ax.com...
>>>
>>>> Obama comes out of he the Chicago political machine. He is corrupt
>>>> and also - on his record - incompetent to be trusted with public
>>>> money.
>>>
>>>> He enriches his cronies and his "projects" are uniformly disasters.
>>>
>>>> The media pretty much prevented the American public from finding
>>>> this out before the election.
>>>
>>> So what's Bush's excuse?
>>
>> We knew Bush has failed his oil business prior to his winning his
>> first national election. The media didn't keep that a secret at all.
>>
>> The real issue with Bush's election was the alternatives. First Gore,
>> then Kerry. We made a conscious decision to go with a loser.
>>
>> Not so with O'Bama.
>
> Exactly so.
> Unlike the result in the Bush appointment in 2000 or his win in 2004, the
> best man won in 2008.
I agree that the "best man won in 2008"......However, the term "best
man" is relative.......Obama was so indecisive that he voted "Present" 43
times in his abbreviated Senate term.....That's NOT what we need!!!.....
This country needs someone in the mold of Jack Welch(GE) who sees a
situation and ACTS!!!
On Nov 21, 6:52 pm, Doobie Keebler <k...@g...com> wrote:
> On Nov 20, 10:14 pm, p...@g...com wrote:
>
> > It was no surprise. The Democrats are a party of big business. This
> > is not your father's Democratic Party.
>
> True dat..
>
> Should the time come when the Greens hook up with Big Business, we'll
> see a tri-party system.
>
> .-=d00b
> .
Green technology is certainly going to become big business.
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