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1. Date: 2008-11-30 02:07:10
Subject: Chevy Volt
From: Lawyerkill <L...@a...com> Search message by this author

Just saw an TV ad for the Chevy Volt.

A company that has no money running a TV ad for a car they don't have.

Yeah, give them 25 billion.

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2. Date: 2008-11-30 13:47:10
Subject: Re: Chevy Volt
From: John Galt <k...@g...com> Search message by this author

Lawyerkill wrote:
> Just saw an TV ad for the Chevy Volt.
>
> A company that has no money running a TV ad for a car they don't have.
>
> Yeah, give them 25 billion.

Well, you know one of the first questions Warren Buffett asks himself
before investing in a company:

"Is the management acting rationally?"

In GM's case, not.

JG

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3. Date: 2008-11-30 15:28:55
Subject: Re: Chevy Volt
From: b...@w...net (bob wald) Search message by this author

its the chevy vomit..........lol
40miles per charge..maybe after 3, 8hour charges i can get to the store
n back.....lol

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4. Date: 2008-11-30 15:47:23
Subject: Re: Chevy Volt
From: Lawyerkill <L...@a...com> Search message by this author

On Nov 30, 10:28?am, b...@w...net (bob wald) wrote:
> its the chevy vomit..........lol
> 40miles per charge..maybe after 3, 8hour charges i can get to the store
> n back.....lol

Bob, come down from the mountains and join the rest of us.

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5. Date: 2008-11-30 16:03:54
Subject: Re: Chevy Volt
From: b...@w...net (bob wald) Search message by this author

this city is spread out. n theres not roads going in straight lines to
each store. which are far apart.

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6. Date: 2008-11-30 18:01:47
Subject: Re: Chevy Volt
From: "Lubow" <l...@l...com> Search message by this author


"John Galt" <k...@g...com> wrote in message
news:JPwYk.370865$vK2.294775@en-nntp-03.dc1.easynews
.com...
> Lawyerkill wrote:
>> Just saw an TV ad for the Chevy Volt.
>>
>> A company that has no money running a TV ad for a car they don't have.
>>
>> Yeah, give them 25 billion.
>
> Well, you know one of the first questions Warren Buffett asks himself before
> investing in a company:
>
> "Is the management acting rationally?"
>
> In GM's case, not.
>
> JG
>

So you finally came around that the problem is a lot more than just factory
workers earning decent wages and getting reasonable health care.

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7. Date: 2008-11-30 21:52:34
Subject: Re: Chevy Volt
From: "Uncle_vito" <u...@y...com> Search message by this author

Buying a car is not a rational decision. If folks bought cars only when
they needed cars, the car companies would have gone out of business ages
ago. Car company has to make you 'gotta have it'. For the folks on this
forum, it is more fun playing with our money on the stock market than on any
car, so they have a hard sell here.

I saw the Volt at the Los Angeles Auto Show. They had a sales rep drawing
on a white board about the attributes of the car. It is really a car with a
small gasoline engine that, by the way, has a battery and charger that you
can plug into the wall. They had a plug and cord on the demo model and the
plug and cord looked like a standard 15A 110V plug rather than the 100A 220V
plug that a serious electric car would have.

Bottom line, the battery technology is not here yet (only 40 mile range
with battery only on the Volt). So the volt is basically an insanely
underpowered gas vehicle (for longer than 40 mile travel) and an electric
car for local travel. Be sure you have local travel before you consider
buying one.

Also prepare to pay high electric bills.. You think gasoline is high,
compared to Kilowatts of electricity, gasoline is cheap!

Vito


"John Galt" <k...@g...com> wrote in message
news:JPwYk.370865$vK2.294775@en-nntp-03.dc1.easynews
.com...
> Lawyerkill wrote:
>> Just saw an TV ad for the Chevy Volt.
>>
>> A company that has no money running a TV ad for a car they don't have.
>>
>> Yeah, give them 25 billion.
>
> Well, you know one of the first questions Warren Buffett asks himself
> before investing in a company:
>
> "Is the management acting rationally?"
>
> In GM's case, not.
>
> JG
>


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8. Date: 2008-11-30 22:04:43
Subject: Re: Chevy Volt
From: John Galt <k...@g...com> Search message by this author

Lubow wrote:
>
> "John Galt" <k...@g...com> wrote in message
> news:JPwYk.370865$vK2.294775@en-nntp-03.dc1.easynews
.com...
>> Lawyerkill wrote:
>>> Just saw an TV ad for the Chevy Volt.
>>>
>>> A company that has no money running a TV ad for a car they don't have.
>>>
>>> Yeah, give them 25 billion.
>>
>> Well, you know one of the first questions Warren Buffett asks himself
>> before investing in a company:
>>
>> "Is the management acting rationally?"
>>
>> In GM's case, not.
>>
>> JG
>>
>
> So you finally came around that the problem is a lot more than just
> factory workers earning decent wages and getting reasonable health care.

The irrationality of GM management has been obvious since the 70's.
Agreeing to compensation packages well above market is just as
irrational as their production decisions, simply accelerates the
inevitable bankruptcy.

JG


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9. Date: 2008-11-30 22:06:40
Subject: Re: Chevy Volt
From: John Galt <k...@g...com> Search message by this author

Uncle_vito wrote:
> Buying a car is not a rational decision. If folks bought cars only when
> they needed cars, the car companies would have gone out of business ages
> ago. Car company has to make you 'gotta have it'.

Quite so.


For the folks on this
> forum, it is more fun playing with our money on the stock market than on any
> car, so they have a hard sell here.
>
> I saw the Volt at the Los Angeles Auto Show. They had a sales rep drawing
> on a white board about the attributes of the car. It is really a car with a
> small gasoline engine that, by the way, has a battery and charger that you
> can plug into the wall. They had a plug and cord on the demo model and the
> plug and cord looked like a standard 15A 110V plug rather than the 100A 220V
> plug that a serious electric car would have.
>
> Bottom line, the battery technology is not here yet (only 40 mile range
> with battery only on the Volt). So the volt is basically an insanely
> underpowered gas vehicle (for longer than 40 mile travel) and an electric
> car for local travel. Be sure you have local travel before you consider
> buying one.
>
> Also prepare to pay high electric bills.. You think gasoline is high,
> compared to Kilowatts of electricity, gasoline is cheap!

Yea, there's that as well. Most people don't know what they pay per KwH,
and I'm sure that Chevy won't be advertising how much power it takes to
charge.

JG

>
> Vito
>
>
> "John Galt" <k...@g...com> wrote in message
> news:JPwYk.370865$vK2.294775@en-nntp-03.dc1.easynews
.com...
>> Lawyerkill wrote:
>>> Just saw an TV ad for the Chevy Volt.
>>>
>>> A company that has no money running a TV ad for a car they don't have.
>>>
>>> Yeah, give them 25 billion.
>> Well, you know one of the first questions Warren Buffett asks himself
>> before investing in a company:
>>
>> "Is the management acting rationally?"
>>
>> In GM's case, not.
>>
>> JG
>>
>
>

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10. Date: 2008-11-30 22:33:51
Subject: Re: Chevy Volt
From: "Lubow" <l...@l...com> Search message by this author


"Uncle_vito" <u...@y...com> wrote in message
news:4OmdnZqVH46Alq7UnZ2dnUVZ_qPinZ2d@linkline.com..
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>
> I saw the Volt at the Los Angeles Auto Show. They had a sales rep drawing on
> a white board about the attributes of the car. It is really a car with a
> small gasoline engine that, by the way, has a battery and charger that you can
> plug into the wall. They had a plug and cord on the demo model and the plug
> and cord looked like a standard 15A 110V plug rather than the 100A 220V plug
> that a serious electric car would have.

Maybe serious air conditioners and stoves, but please cite where is it written
that "serious" electric cars are charged-up at any particular voltage or
current?

>
> Also prepare to pay high electric bills.. You think gasoline is high,
> compared to Kilowatts of electricity, gasoline is cheap!
>
> Vito

So what are the stats for the Volt? How many KWHs are required to fully charge
'er up to get the forty miles? Here, we're charged among the highest in the
country for electricity at around $0.086/KWH. Will it cost me $0.80 to get the
forty miles or what?

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