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krw wrote:
> In article <rERkk.2658$vX2.1078@bignews6.bellsouth.net>, Poetic
> Justice <@http://Poetic-Justice.Talk-n-Dog.com> says...
>> Doobie Keebler wrote:
>>> On Aug 1, 8:31 pm, Poetic Justice <@http://Poetic-Justice.Talk-n-
>>> Dog.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>> .. Exxon only walks away with 10cents from each gallon sold,
>>
>> And Exxon actually produces something to earn that dime... The
>> government does nothing and contributes nothing to get their 18.5 cents
>> per gallon.... the state and the county and the City all contribute ZERO
>> to GDP and the economy. They are all Parasites.
>
> I'm certainly no lover of taxes[*], but I gotta ask; where do you
> use that gas?
>
On a road that my taxes built. On the dirt where motorcycles go, and
I've lived on miles of dirt road for 15- 20 years...
> [*] The gas tax is one of the few I actually like, as long as the
> proceeds are used as claimed.
>
But then the government still did nothing but consume excessive tax
money to build overpriced roads and bridges that are falling down.
Doobie Keebler wrote:
> On Aug 2, 10:36 am, Poetic Justice <@http://Poetic-Justice.Talk-n-
> Dog.com> wrote:
>
>> Government is corruption.
>
> No, Government is people, and some people (not all) are corrupt.
>
> You can adhere to the Republican view of 'shrink government down
> until we can drown it in the bathtub', but that will not eliminate the
> corrupting influence of power and it's corrupting effect on some
> people.
>
>
It will limit it.
> If you deliberately run government agencies into the ground, then
> point at the failure and say "See! I told you government was the
> problem! The solution is to privatize!" that's inherently corrupt.
>
Who has to run the agencies into the ground, they fail all the time with
more funding than any private agency would need to do the same job.
>
> All that does is create a false justification to privatize public
> services, such as waterworks, as we've seen here in the US and
My private cable and private internet seems to work well enough....
"Poetic Justice" <@http://Poetic-Justice.Talk-n-Dog.com> wrote in message
news:dB6lk.3121$vX2.1679@bignews6.bellsouth.net...
> Doobie Keebler wrote:
>> On Aug 2, 10:36 am, Poetic Justice <@http://Poetic-Justice.Talk-n-
>> Dog.com> wrote:
>>
>>> Government is corruption.
>>
>> No, Government is people, and some people (not all) are corrupt.
>>
>> You can adhere to the Republican view of 'shrink government down
>> until we can drown it in the bathtub', but that will not eliminate the
>> corrupting influence of power and it's corrupting effect on some
>> people.
>>
>>
>
> It will limit it.
>
>
>> If you deliberately run government agencies into the ground, then
>> point at the failure and say "See! I told you government was the
>> problem! The solution is to privatize!" that's inherently corrupt.
>>
>
> Who has to run the agencies into the ground, they fail all the time with
> more funding than any private agency would need to do the same job.
>
>>
>> All that does is create a false justification to privatize public
>> services, such as waterworks, as we've seen here in the US and
>
> My private cable and private internet seems to work well enough....
In Texas, the "traditional" electric companies (the ones in existence before
deregulation) charge about 17 to 23 c per kwh. The "new" companies charge as
low as 13c.
From that, I'd say that dereg works just fine.
JG
In article <Ni6lk.3108$vX2.1958@bignews6.bellsouth.net>, Poetic
Justice <@http://Poetic-Justice.Talk-n-Dog.com> says...
> krw wrote:
> > In article <rERkk.2658$vX2.1078@bignews6.bellsouth.net>, Poetic
> > Justice <@http://Poetic-Justice.Talk-n-Dog.com> says...
> >> Doobie Keebler wrote:
> >>> On Aug 1, 8:31 pm, Poetic Justice <@http://Poetic-Justice.Talk-n-
> >>> Dog.com> wrote:
> >>>
> >>>> .. Exxon only walks away with 10cents from each gallon sold,
> >>
> >> And Exxon actually produces something to earn that dime... The
> >> government does nothing and contributes nothing to get their 18.5 cents
> >> per gallon.... the state and the county and the City all contribute ZERO
> >> to GDP and the economy. They are all Parasites.
> >
> > I'm certainly no lover of taxes[*], but I gotta ask; where do you
> > use that gas?
> >
>
>
> On a road that my taxes built.
You lied then.
> On the dirt where motorcycles go, and
> I've lived on miles of dirt road for 15- 20 years...
If it's your land you needn't pay gasoline tax to drive on it.
> > [*] The gas tax is one of the few I actually like, as long as the
> > proceeds are used as claimed.
> >
>
> But then the government still did nothing but consume excessive tax
> money to build overpriced roads and bridges that are falling down.
No, the didn't consume excessive tax money. They used the money on
things other than what it was intended, letting the roads decay.
The fact is that highway taxes *are* needed, and government has the
be brought under control, not unleashed.
--
Keith
In article <a96lk.3102$vX2.2623@bignews6.bellsouth.net>, Poetic
Justice <@http://Poetic-Justice.Talk-n-Dog.com> says...
> krw wrote:
> > In article <txRkk.2654$vX2.1409@bignews6.bellsouth.net>, Poetic
> > Justice <@http://Poetic-Justice.Talk-n-Dog.com> says...
> >> krw wrote:
> >>> In article <SiDkk.2279$vX2.1371@bignews6.bellsouth.net>, Poetic
> >>> Justice <@http://Poetic-Justice.Talk-n-Dog.com> says...
> >>>> h...@l...com wrote:
> >>>>> On Jul 31, 1:19 pm, a...@f...net wrote:
> >>>>>> Yesterday, it was announced that GDP grew "less than expected," and to
> >>>>>> make matters worse, prior data was revised DOWN....Also yesterday, oil
> >>>>>> prices spiked on a drop in gasoline inventories...
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> So why wasn't this criminal friggin' JOKE of a "market" that
> >>>>>> "concerned" yesterday when this news was released? Of course, it must
> >>>>>> have "ignored" the data, as it predictably "rallied" nearly 200 in the
> >>>>>> last hour of trade (gee, what a shocker)....
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> So, today "investors" now figure out that the economy is slowing? What
> >>>>>> a riot! Yesterday, The Boys shoved an unjustified 200 points down its
> >>>>>> throat to accomodate todays drop....Now, they've not only staved off
> >>>>>> Monday's loss, but they've also taken care of today's losses in
> >>>>>> advance....
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> Can this laughable "market" get more criminal? You bet....
> >>>>> Let us all work to bring the DOW to 10,000, and that may be more then
> >>>>> it's worth.
> >>>>>
> >>>>> mitch
> >>>>>
> >>>> Put a Windfall Profit TAX on them Oil companies and you'll see 9,000 on
> >>>> the DOW..... Then watch *your Retirement* account tank and you can
> >>>> work another ten years after you retire just so you can pay your wind
> >>>> power bills.
> >>> I *hope* I work another 10 years after retirement. I retired in
> >>> 2006 and am starting another job in a week, after
> >>> contracting/consulting for a year. ;-)
> >>>
> >> I hope you work till the day you die, if that makes you happy.
> >
> > As long as I can work another forty years. ;-)
> >
> >> I have other plans.
> >>
> > I tried the retirement thing for nine months (though was sick for
> > three of that). Didn't like it much. I'm having far too much fun
> > working (and have worked far harder and more hours since retiring).
> > Find something you enjoy doing and do it. It's far more fun than
> > sitting around watching paint peel, daytime television, and dinner
> > at the Golden Corral at 4:00PM.
> >
>
> None of that was on "my" list of retirement entertainment.
When you get there let me know how it goes.
> > Oh, and lighten up or you won't have the option.
> >
>
> I'm already easy going, but passion for life is a good thing.
Yeah, right. You sure look like it here.
--
Keith
krw wrote:
> In article <a96lk.3102$vX2.2623@bignews6.bellsouth.net>, Poetic
> Justice <@http://Poetic-Justice.Talk-n-Dog.com> says...
>> krw wrote:
>>> In article <txRkk.2654$vX2.1409@bignews6.bellsouth.net>, Poetic
>>> Justice <@http://Poetic-Justice.Talk-n-Dog.com> says...
>>>> krw wrote:
>>>>> In article <SiDkk.2279$vX2.1371@bignews6.bellsouth.net>, Poetic
>>>>> Justice <@http://Poetic-Justice.Talk-n-Dog.com> says...
>>>>>> h...@l...com wrote:
>>>>>>> On Jul 31, 1:19 pm, a...@f...net wrote:
>>>>>>>> Yesterday, it was announced that GDP grew "less than expected," and to
>>>>>>>> make matters worse, prior data was revised DOWN....Also yesterday, oil
>>>>>>>> prices spiked on a drop in gasoline inventories...
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> So why wasn't this criminal friggin' JOKE of a "market" that
>>>>>>>> "concerned" yesterday when this news was released? Of course, it must
>>>>>>>> have "ignored" the data, as it predictably "rallied" nearly 200 in the
>>>>>>>> last hour of trade (gee, what a shocker)....
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> So, today "investors" now figure out that the economy is slowing? What
>>>>>>>> a riot! Yesterday, The Boys shoved an unjustified 200 points down its
>>>>>>>> throat to accomodate todays drop....Now, they've not only staved off
>>>>>>>> Monday's loss, but they've also taken care of today's losses in
>>>>>>>> advance....
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Can this laughable "market" get more criminal? You bet....
>>>>>>> Let us all work to bring the DOW to 10,000, and that may be more then
>>>>>>> it's worth.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> mitch
>>>>>>>
>>>>>> Put a Windfall Profit TAX on them Oil companies and you'll see 9,000 on
>>>>>> the DOW..... Then watch *your Retirement* account tank and you can
>>>>>> work another ten years after you retire just so you can pay your wind
>>>>>> power bills.
>>>>> I *hope* I work another 10 years after retirement. I retired in
>>>>> 2006 and am starting another job in a week, after
>>>>> contracting/consulting for a year. ;-)
>>>>>
>>>> I hope you work till the day you die, if that makes you happy.
>>> As long as I can work another forty years. ;-)
>>>
>>>> I have other plans.
>>>>
>>> I tried the retirement thing for nine months (though was sick for
>>> three of that). Didn't like it much. I'm having far too much fun
>>> working (and have worked far harder and more hours since retiring).
>>> Find something you enjoy doing and do it. It's far more fun than
>>> sitting around watching paint peel, daytime television, and dinner
>>> at the Golden Corral at 4:00PM.
>>>
>> None of that was on "my" list of retirement entertainment.
>
> When you get there let me know how it goes.
>
>>> Oh, and lighten up or you won't have the option.
>>>
>> I'm already easy going, but passion for life is a good thing.
>
> Yeah, right. You sure look like it here.
>
On the bright side, I'm not an alcoholic.
krw wrote:
> In article <Ni6lk.3108$vX2.1958@bignews6.bellsouth.net>, Poetic
> Justice <@http://Poetic-Justice.Talk-n-Dog.com> says...
>> krw wrote:
>>> In article <rERkk.2658$vX2.1078@bignews6.bellsouth.net>, Poetic
>>> Justice <@http://Poetic-Justice.Talk-n-Dog.com> says...
>>>> Doobie Keebler wrote:
>>>>> On Aug 1, 8:31 pm, Poetic Justice <@http://Poetic-Justice.Talk-n-
>>>>> Dog.com> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> .. Exxon only walks away with 10cents from each gallon sold,
>>>> And Exxon actually produces something to earn that dime... The
>>>> government does nothing and contributes nothing to get their 18.5 cents
>>>> per gallon.... the state and the county and the City all contribute ZERO
>>>> to GDP and the economy. They are all Parasites.
>>> I'm certainly no lover of taxes[*], but I gotta ask; where do you
>>> use that gas?
>>>
>>
>> On a road that my taxes built.
>
> You lied then.
WHEN?
Liberals call people liar with no concept of what a lie is, I know this
because they all believe Bill Clinton when he says he did not have sex
with that woman. Then Liberals lie without any concern for the truth,
time and time again.
>
>> On the dirt where motorcycles go, and
>> I've lived on miles of dirt road for 15- 20 years...
>
> If it's your land you needn't pay gasoline tax to drive on it.
But how do you separate the fuel into taxed and non taxed, depending
where you are? Farm fuel has a dye in it. Once in the tank you can add
taxed gas to the farm gas and still get fined by the DOT.
On Aug 2, 11:22 pm, Poetic Justice <@http://Poetic-Justice.Talk-n-
Dog.com> wrote:
> Liberals call people liar with no concept of what a lie is...
Maybe that was because after Nixon, Reagan, and Bush #1 everybody's
bullshit detector was out of whack!
Watergate?
Iran-Contra?
"Read My Lips, No New Taxes" ?
Remember those, dude?
Massive lies by the most crooked politicians to EVER set foot in the
Oval Office, and you're fixated on a goddamn blow-job ?!?!?
When will you learn: you've been played!
The Republican Party and the Conservative Movement is a SCAM !
It's a scam to fool suckers like you into thinking you belong to this
group of elites, when in fact you're just a sucker, a dupe, mere
pwnage in a grand sweeping multi-generational game of pure power
politics.
You're being screwed and you can't even feel it, you're so numb!
Remember the Contract With America, the Big Promise the Republican
Revolution rode into Washington on?
http://www.house.gov/house/Contract/CONTRACT.html
How'd that work out for you, me, and every other 'little guy' ??
LIES!
Nothing but false promises and lies to get elected, install a
majority, and do the bidding of the corporate interests who funded the
revolution.
When you listen to Rush and O'Reilly and Hannity and Coulter, watch
Fox, or read Free Republic, you are being told more lies to reinforce
the old lies and excuse the deliberate failings of those false
promise.
Here, try reading something with a grain of truth in it, for a change:
http://www.amazon.com/gp/reader/0312315600/ref=sib_d
p_pt#reader-link
or
http://tinyurl.com/6mu2ff
.-=d00b
p.s.
Fritz, please flush this to help keep it at the top of the message
tree. Thks!
In article <dkalk.3082$XB4.1760@bignews9.bellsouth.net>, Poetic
Justice <@http://Poetic-Justice.Talk-n-Dog.com> says...
> krw wrote:
> > In article <Ni6lk.3108$vX2.1958@bignews6.bellsouth.net>, Poetic
> > Justice <@http://Poetic-Justice.Talk-n-Dog.com> says...
> >> krw wrote:
> >>> In article <rERkk.2658$vX2.1078@bignews6.bellsouth.net>, Poetic
> >>> Justice <@http://Poetic-Justice.Talk-n-Dog.com> says...
> >>>> Doobie Keebler wrote:
> >>>>> On Aug 1, 8:31 pm, Poetic Justice <@http://Poetic-Justice.Talk-n-
> >>>>> Dog.com> wrote:
> >>>>>
> >>>>>> .. Exxon only walks away with 10cents from each gallon sold,
> >>>> And Exxon actually produces something to earn that dime... The
> >>>> government does nothing and contributes nothing to get their 18.5 cents
> >>>> per gallon.... the state and the county and the City all contribute ZERO
> >>>> to GDP and the economy. They are all Parasites.
> >>> I'm certainly no lover of taxes[*], but I gotta ask; where do you
> >>> use that gas?
> >>>
> >>
> >> On a road that my taxes built.
> >
> > You lied then.
> WHEN?
"The government does nothing and contributes nothing to get
their 18.5 cents"
> Liberals call people liar with no concept of what a lie is, I know this
> because they all believe Bill Clinton when he says he did not have sex
> with that woman. Then Liberals lie without any concern for the truth,
> time and time again.
They do, but I'm no liberal. <gag>
> >> On the dirt where motorcycles go, and
> >> I've lived on miles of dirt road for 15- 20 years...
> >
> > If it's your land you needn't pay gasoline tax to drive on it.
>
> But how do you separate the fuel into taxed and non taxed, depending
> where you are? Farm fuel has a dye in it. Once in the tank you can add
> taxed gas to the farm gas and still get fined by the DOT.
Not if you don't drive on the public right of way with it. ISTR
there is an income tax credit for off-road fuel use.
--
Keith
krw wrote:
> In article <dkalk.3082$XB4.1760@bignews9.bellsouth.net>, Poetic
> Justice <@http://Poetic-Justice.Talk-n-Dog.com> says...
>> krw wrote:
>>> In article <Ni6lk.3108$vX2.1958@bignews6.bellsouth.net>, Poetic
>>> Justice <@http://Poetic-Justice.Talk-n-Dog.com> says...
>>>> krw wrote:
>>>>> In article <rERkk.2658$vX2.1078@bignews6.bellsouth.net>, Poetic
>>>>> Justice <@http://Poetic-Justice.Talk-n-Dog.com> says...
>>>>>> Doobie Keebler wrote:
>>>>>>> On Aug 1, 8:31 pm, Poetic Justice <@http://Poetic-Justice.Talk-n-
>>>>>>> Dog.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> .. Exxon only walks away with 10cents from each gallon sold,
>>>>>> And Exxon actually produces something to earn that dime... The
>>>>>> government does nothing and contributes nothing to get their 18.5 cents
>>>>>> per gallon.... the state and the county and the City all contribute ZERO
>>>>>> to GDP and the economy. They are all Parasites.
>>>>> I'm certainly no lover of taxes[*], but I gotta ask; where do you
>>>>> use that gas?
>>>>>
>>>> On a road that my taxes built.
>>> You lied then.
>> WHEN?
>
> "The government does nothing and contributes nothing to get
> their 18.5 cents"
>
Tell us how they earned the 18.5cents, what did they do? Why didn't it
show up in the GDP?
>> Liberals call people liar with no concept of what a lie is, I know this
>> because they all believe Bill Clinton when he says he did not have sex
>> with that woman. Then Liberals lie without any concern for the truth,
>> time and time again.
>
> They do, but I'm no liberal. <gag>
>
Be careful who you emulate, your sure acting like a Liberal.
>>>> On the dirt where motorcycles go, and
>>>> I've lived on miles of dirt road for 15- 20 years...
>>> If it's your land you needn't pay gasoline tax to drive on it.
>> But how do you separate the fuel into taxed and non taxed, depending
>> where you are? Farm fuel has a dye in it. Once in the tank you can add
>> taxed gas to the farm gas and still get fined by the DOT.
>
> Not if you don't drive on the public right of way with it. ISTR
> there is an income tax credit for off-road fuel use.
>
You need to be a huge farm and use a lot of fuel to get anything.
Farm equipment is allowed to use the roads without tags or insurance.
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