On Oct 6, 10:15 am, "Carl" <c...@N...net> wrote:
> Titix wrote:
> > <T...@g...com> wrote in message
> >news:f2de55f2-1c81-4b27-b875-a0fcea06972f@k13g2000h
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> >> Do Facts Matter?
>
> >> Abraham Lincoln said, "You can fool all the people some of the time
> >> and some of the people all the time, but you can't fool all the
> >> people all the time."
>
> >> Unfortunately, the future of this country, as well as the fate of the
> >> Western world, depends on how many people can be fooled on election
> >> day, just a few weeks from now.
>
> >> Right now, the polls indicate that a whole lot of the people are
> >> being fooled a whole lot of the time.
>
> >> The current financial bailout crisis has propelled Barack Obama back
> >> into a substantial lead over John McCain-- which is astonishing in
> >> view of which man and which party has had the most to do with
> >> bringing on this crisis.
>
> >> It raises the question: Do facts matter? Or is Obama's rhetoric and
> >> the media's spin enough to make facts irrelevant?
>
> >> Fact Number One: It was liberal Democrats, led by Senator Christopher
> >> Dodd and Congressman Barney Frank, who for years-- including the
> >> present year-- denied that Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac were taking big
> >> risks that could lead to a financial crisis.
>
> >> It was Senator Dodd, Congressman Frank and other liberal Democrats
> >> who for years refused requests from the Bush administration to set
> >> up an agency to regulate Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac.
>
> >> It was liberal Democrats, again led by Dodd and Frank, who for years
> >> pushed for Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac to go even further in promoting
> >> subprime mortgage loans, which are at the heart of today's financial
> >> crisis.
>
> >> Alan Greenspan warned them four years ago. So did the Chairman of the
> >> Council of Economic Advisers to the President. So did Bush's
> >> Secretary of the Treasury, five years ago.
>
> >> Yet, today, what are we hearing? That it was the Bush administration
> >> "right-wing ideology" of "de-regulation" that set the stage for the
> >> financial crisis. Do facts matter?
>
> >> We also hear that it is the free market that is to blame. But the
> >> facts show that it was the government that pressured financial
> >> institutions in general to lend to subprime borrowers, with such
> >> things as the Community Reinvestment Act and, later, threats of legal
> >> action by then Attorney General Janet Reno if the feds did not like
> >> the statistics on who was getting loans and who wasn't.
>
> >> Is that the free market? Or do facts not matter?
>
> >> Then there is the question of being against the "greed" of CEOs and
> >> for "the people." Franklin Raines made $90 million while he was head
> >> of Fannie Mae and mismanaging that institution into crisis.
>
> >> Who in Congress defended Franklin Raines? Liberal Democrats,
> >> including Maxine Waters and the Congressional Black Caucus, at least
> >> one of whom referred to the "lynching" of Raines, as if it was
> >> racist to hold him to the same standard as white CEOs.
>
> >> Even after he was deposed as head of Fannie Mae, Franklin Raines was
> >> consulted this year by the Obama campaign for his advice on housing!
>
> >> The Washington Post criticized the McCain campaign for calling Raines
> >> an adviser to Obama, even though that fact was reported in the
> >> Washington Post itself on July 16th. The technicality and the spin
> >> here is that Raines is not officially listed as an adviser. But
> >> someone who advises is an adviser, whether or not his name appears on
> >> a letterhead.
>
> >> The tie between Barack Obama and Franklin Raines is not all one-way.
> >> Obama has been the second-largest recipient of Fannie Mae's financial
> >> contributions, right after Senator Christopher Dodd.
>
> >> But ties between Obama and Raines? Not if you read the mainstream
> >> media.
>
> >> Facts don't matter much politically if they are not reported.
>
> >> The media alone are not alone in keeping the facts from the public.
> >> Republicans, for reasons unknown, don't seem to know what it is to
> >> counter-attack. They deserve to lose.
>
> >> But the country does not deserve to be put in the hands of a glib and
> >> cocky know-it-all, who has accomplished absolutely nothing beyond the
> >> advancement of his own career with rhetoric, and who has for years
> >> allied himself with a succession of people who have openly expressed
> >> their hatred of America.
>
> >> Thomas Sowell -www.tsowell.com
> >> Ph.D. in Economics, University of Chicago, 1968
> >> A.M. in Economics, Columbia University, 1959
> >> A.B. in Economics, magna cum laude, Harvard College, 1958
>
> >>http://townhall.com/Columnists/ThomasSowell/
>
> >>http://TheRealBarackObama.wordpress.com
>
> > Your spin doesn't hold water. If this mess is all Democrats fault, why
> > didn't Bush
> > administration reversed it when he had Republican control of both
> > Houses of Congress. You people don't have a leg to stand on. Just
> > take what's coming and shut up.
>
> > The Bush White House lack of regulation or enforcement of it is the
> > major cause of this mess, along with the greed of Wall Street.
>
> You happen to be 100% right imho, and it is the OP who has it largely wrong.
> Your point about the Republicans being 100% in charge of both the executive
> branch and the congress for 6 of the past 8 years is irrefutable and he
> seems to conveniently overlook that little thing.
>
> Unfortunately for the OP, facts DO matter. It's just that he's looking at
> the wrong ones.
>
> The Republican propensity toward reducing government regulation is at the
> deepest heart of this matter.  For those of you who didn't watch it last
> night, spend 12 minutes watching this 60 Minutes segment on the Wall Street
> mess:http://www.cbsnews.com/video/watch/?id=4502673n
 You'll learn that
> it's not the sub-prime mortgages per se that caused the downfall, but that,
> without due regulation, Wall Street took these mortgages, turned them into
> investment securities and then sold those along with what appeared to be a
> type of "insurance policy" to the banks called "credit default swaps". And
> there lies the flaw. Under insurance regulations, insurance policies must be
> backed with real money called "capital reserves". But these policies weren't
> labeled "insurance", but "swaps" and therefore were not regulated under
> Republican administration law. They were not backed up with money (capital
> reserves). When the securities failed, the "swaps" couldn't cover all the
> losses. And the system came tumbling down.
>
> If you really want to know, take the time to watch the story. Your eyes will
> be opened, it will be clear to you that much of this is due to the
> Republican policy of deregulation (pay attention to how many times the word
> "regulation" appears in the story), and Wall Street greed, NOT due to the
> social policy issues of the Democrats, or even the sub-prime mortgages
> themselves, as this OP wants you to believe.- Hide quoted text -
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The Republitards never admit that all the speculators helped cause the
problem too, by driving up the prices. Impeach all Republitards!

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My Friends, That is NOT change!
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