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1. Date: 2007-04-16 04:50:41
Subject: Here's an except from 1984 that is quite striking:
From: "c...@a...com" <c...@a...com> Search message by this author

"The Party taught that the proles were natural
inferiors who must be kept in subjection, like
animals, by the application of a few simple rules.
In reality very little was known about the proles.
It was not necessary to know much. ... They were
born, they grew up in the gutters, they went to
work at twelve, they passed through a brief
blossoming-period of beauty and sexual desire,
they married at twenty, they were middle-aged at
thirty, they died, for the most part, at sixty.
Heavy physical work, the care of home and
children, petty quarrels with neighbours, films,
football, beer, and above all, gambling, filled up
the horizon of their minds. To keep them in
control was not difficult. A few agents of the
Thought Police moved always among them, spreading
false rumours and marking down and eliminating the
few individuals who were judged capable of
becoming dangerous; but no attempt was made to
indoctrinate them with the ideology of the Party.
It was not desirable that the proles should have
strong political feelings. All that was required
of them was a primitive patriotism which could be
appealed to whenever it was necessary to make them
accept longer working hours or shorter rations.
And even when they became discontented, as they
sometimes did, their discontent led nowhere,
because being without general ideas, they could
only focus it on petty specific grievances. The
larger evils invariably escaped their notice."

Remind you of anything?

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2. Date: 2007-04-16 07:58:06
Subject: Re: Here's an except from 1984 that is quite striking:
From: "Midex" <j...@g...com> Search message by this author

On Apr 16, 5:50 am, "c...@a...com"
<c...@a...com> wrote:
> "The Party taught that the proles were natural
> inferiors who must be kept in subjection, like
> animals, by the application of a few simple rules.
> In reality very little was known about the proles.
> It was not necessary to know much. ... They were
> born, they grew up in the gutters, they went to
> work at twelve, they passed through a brief
> blossoming-period of beauty and sexual desire,
> they married at twenty, they were middle-aged at
> thirty, they died, for the most part, at sixty.
> Heavy physical work, the care of home and
> children, petty quarrels with neighbours, films,
> football, beer, and above all, gambling, filled up
> the horizon of their minds. To keep them in
> control was not difficult. A few agents of the
> Thought Police moved always among them, spreading
> false rumours and marking down and eliminating the
> few individuals who were judged capable of
> becoming dangerous; but no attempt was made to
> indoctrinate them with the ideology of the Party.
> It was not desirable that the proles should have
> strong political feelings. All that was required
> of them was a primitive patriotism which could be
> appealed to whenever it was necessary to make them
> accept longer working hours or shorter rations.
> And even when they became discontented, as they
> sometimes did, their discontent led nowhere,
> because being without general ideas, they could
> only focus it on petty specific grievances. The
> larger evils invariably escaped their notice."
>
> Remind you of anything?

Australian mainstream!

He is also insinuating that there is a class who lives much longer. I
wonder why he is insinuating that? Remember this book was banned in
libraries across the world. I was talking to my brother yesterday
about it - what if there is indeed advanced anti-aging medicine out
there already. All it has to do is stop the DNA from getting damaged.
Our DNA gets damaged with age mainly because the ends of the strands
are like plastic-caps on the ends of shoe-laces. They get worn and
eventually the DNA starts getting damaged.

I have seen some test tube experiments which were pretty close to
stopping the wear and tear of these DNA ends. These scientists may
have just been reinventing the wheel without knowing it - such science
may have been known much longer, even perhaps discovered in an
amazonian tribe, the tribe genocided to protect the secret which was
sent back to Europe and handed to the oligarchs. Who knows - put it
this way - it wouldn't suprise me.

Also the bible says that all these guys lived to 400-500 years old.

We have trouble also now with increased background radiation which
damages DNA as well as many modern chemicals which interfere with
hormones involved in DNA replication.


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3. Date: 2007-04-16 08:27:07
Subject: Re: Here's an except from 1984 that is quite striking:
From: "TG'sFM" <s...@y...fr> Search message by this author

On Apr 16, 5:58 pm, "Midex" <j...@g...com> wrote:
> On Apr 16, 5:50 am, "c...@a...com"
>
>
>
> <c...@a...com> wrote:
> > "The Party taught that the proles were natural
> > inferiors who must be kept in subjection, like
> > animals, by the application of a few simple rules.
> > In reality very little was known about the proles.
> > It was not necessary to know much. ... They were
> > born, they grew up in the gutters, they went to
> > work at twelve, they passed through a brief
> > blossoming-period of beauty and sexual desire,
> > they married at twenty, they were middle-aged at
> > thirty, they died, for the most part, at sixty.
> > Heavy physical work, the care of home and
> > children, petty quarrels with neighbours, films,
> > football, beer, and above all, gambling, filled up
> > the horizon of their minds. To keep them in
> > control was not difficult. A few agents of the
> > Thought Police moved always among them, spreading
> > false rumours and marking down and eliminating the
> > few individuals who were judged capable of
> > becoming dangerous; but no attempt was made to
> > indoctrinate them with the ideology of the Party.
> > It was not desirable that the proles should have
> > strong political feelings. All that was required
> > of them was a primitive patriotism which could be
> > appealed to whenever it was necessary to make them
> > accept longer working hours or shorter rations.
> > And even when they became discontented, as they
> > sometimes did, their discontent led nowhere,
> > because being without general ideas, they could
> > only focus it on petty specific grievances. The
> > larger evils invariably escaped their notice."
>
> > Remind you of anything?
>
> Australian mainstream!
>
> He is also insinuating that there is a class who lives much longer. I
> wonder why he is insinuating that? Remember this book was banned in
> libraries across the world. I was talking to my brother yesterday
> about it - what if there is indeed advanced anti-aging medicine out
> there already. All it has to do is stop the DNA from getting damaged.
> Our DNA gets damaged with age mainly because the ends of the strands
> are like plastic-caps on the ends of shoe-laces. They get worn and
> eventually the DNA starts getting damaged.
>
> I have seen some test tube experiments which were pretty close to
> stopping the wear and tear of these DNA ends. These scientists may
> have just been reinventing the wheel without knowing it - such science
> may have been known much longer, even perhaps discovered in an
> amazonian tribe, the tribe genocided to protect the secret which was
> sent back to Europe and handed to the oligarchs. Who knows - put it
> this way - it wouldn't suprise me.
>
> Also the bible says that all these guys lived to 400-500 years old.
>
> We have trouble also now with increased background radiation which
> damages DNA as well as many modern chemicals which interfere with
> hormones involved in DNA replication.


I'm 117 years of age.

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4. Date: 2007-04-16 08:34:37
Subject: Re: Here's an except from 1984 that is quite striking:
From: "Big LN" <B...@t...ng> Search message by this author

"TG'sFM" <s...@y...fr> wrote in message
news:1176712027.816027.209070@e65g2000hsc.googlegrou
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> On Apr 16, 5:58 pm, "Midex" <j...@g...com> wrote:
>> On Apr 16, 5:50 am, "c...@a...com"
>>
>>
>>
>> <c...@a...com> wrote:
>> > "The Party taught that the proles were natural
>> > inferiors who must be kept in subjection, like
>> > animals, by the application of a few simple rules.
>> > In reality very little was known about the proles.
>> > It was not necessary to know much. ... They were
>> > born, they grew up in the gutters, they went to
>> > work at twelve, they passed through a brief
>> > blossoming-period of beauty and sexual desire,
>> > they married at twenty, they were middle-aged at
>> > thirty, they died, for the most part, at sixty.
>> > Heavy physical work, the care of home and
>> > children, petty quarrels with neighbours, films,
>> > football, beer, and above all, gambling, filled up
>> > the horizon of their minds. To keep them in
>> > control was not difficult. A few agents of the
>> > Thought Police moved always among them, spreading
>> > false rumours and marking down and eliminating the
>> > few individuals who were judged capable of
>> > becoming dangerous; but no attempt was made to
>> > indoctrinate them with the ideology of the Party.
>> > It was not desirable that the proles should have
>> > strong political feelings. All that was required
>> > of them was a primitive patriotism which could be
>> > appealed to whenever it was necessary to make them
>> > accept longer working hours or shorter rations.
>> > And even when they became discontented, as they
>> > sometimes did, their discontent led nowhere,
>> > because being without general ideas, they could
>> > only focus it on petty specific grievances. The
>> > larger evils invariably escaped their notice."
>>
>> > Remind you of anything?
>>
>> Australian mainstream!
>>
>> He is also insinuating that there is a class who lives much longer. I
>> wonder why he is insinuating that? Remember this book was banned in
>> libraries across the world. I was talking to my brother yesterday
>> about it - what if there is indeed advanced anti-aging medicine out
>> there already. All it has to do is stop the DNA from getting damaged.
>> Our DNA gets damaged with age mainly because the ends of the strands
>> are like plastic-caps on the ends of shoe-laces. They get worn and
>> eventually the DNA starts getting damaged.
>>
>> I have seen some test tube experiments which were pretty close to
>> stopping the wear and tear of these DNA ends. These scientists may
>> have just been reinventing the wheel without knowing it - such science
>> may have been known much longer, even perhaps discovered in an
>> amazonian tribe, the tribe genocided to protect the secret which was
>> sent back to Europe and handed to the oligarchs. Who knows - put it
>> this way - it wouldn't suprise me.
>>
>> Also the bible says that all these guys lived to 400-500 years old.
>>
>> We have trouble also now with increased background radiation which
>> damages DNA as well as many modern chemicals which interfere with
>> hormones involved in DNA replication.
>
>
> I'm 117 years of age.

Happy birthday. What's your address?; I'll send a present.

'Onya


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5. Date: 2007-04-16 08:57:00
Subject: Re: Here's an except from 1984 that is quite striking:
From: "TG'sFM" <s...@y...fr> Search message by this author

On Apr 16, 6:34 pm, "Big LN" <B...@t...ng> wrote:
> "TG'sFM" <s...@y...fr> wrote in message
>
> news:1176712027.816027.209070@e65g2000hsc.googlegrou
ps.com...
>
>
>
> > On Apr 16, 5:58 pm, "Midex" <j...@g...com> wrote:
> >> On Apr 16, 5:50 am, "c...@a...com"
>
> >> <c...@a...com> wrote:
> >> > "The Party taught that the proles were natural
> >> > inferiors who must be kept in subjection, like
> >> > animals, by the application of a few simple rules.
> >> > In reality very little was known about the proles.
> >> > It was not necessary to know much. ... They were
> >> > born, they grew up in the gutters, they went to
> >> > work at twelve, they passed through a brief
> >> > blossoming-period of beauty and sexual desire,
> >> > they married at twenty, they were middle-aged at
> >> > thirty, they died, for the most part, at sixty.
> >> > Heavy physical work, the care of home and
> >> > children, petty quarrels with neighbours, films,
> >> > football, beer, and above all, gambling, filled up
> >> > the horizon of their minds. To keep them in
> >> > control was not difficult. A few agents of the
> >> > Thought Police moved always among them, spreading
> >> > false rumours and marking down and eliminating the
> >> > few individuals who were judged capable of
> >> > becoming dangerous; but no attempt was made to
> >> > indoctrinate them with the ideology of the Party.
> >> > It was not desirable that the proles should have
> >> > strong political feelings. All that was required
> >> > of them was a primitive patriotism which could be
> >> > appealed to whenever it was necessary to make them
> >> > accept longer working hours or shorter rations.
> >> > And even when they became discontented, as they
> >> > sometimes did, their discontent led nowhere,
> >> > because being without general ideas, they could
> >> > only focus it on petty specific grievances. The
> >> > larger evils invariably escaped their notice."
>
> >> > Remind you of anything?
>
> >> Australian mainstream!
>
> >> He is also insinuating that there is a class who lives much longer. I
> >> wonder why he is insinuating that? Remember this book was banned in
> >> libraries across the world. I was talking to my brother yesterday
> >> about it - what if there is indeed advanced anti-aging medicine out
> >> there already. All it has to do is stop the DNA from getting damaged.
> >> Our DNA gets damaged with age mainly because the ends of the strands
> >> are like plastic-caps on the ends of shoe-laces. They get worn and
> >> eventually the DNA starts getting damaged.
>
> >> I have seen some test tube experiments which were pretty close to
> >> stopping the wear and tear of these DNA ends. These scientists may
> >> have just been reinventing the wheel without knowing it - such science
> >> may have been known much longer, even perhaps discovered in an
> >> amazonian tribe, the tribe genocided to protect the secret which was
> >> sent back to Europe and handed to the oligarchs. Who knows - put it
> >> this way - it wouldn't suprise me.
>
> >> Also the bible says that all these guys lived to 400-500 years old.
>
> >> We have trouble also now with increased background radiation which
> >> damages DNA as well as many modern chemicals which interfere with
> >> hormones involved in DNA replication.
>
> > I'm 117 years of age.
>
> Happy birthday. What's your address?; I'll send a present.

According to DAVO, it's Palace Street Maryborough, but he won't tell
us the street number. us?

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6. Date: 2007-04-16 23:35:07
Subject: Re: Here's an except from 1984 that is quite striking:
From: Patrick <d...@b...com> Search message by this author

Midex wrote:

>
> He is also insinuating that there is a class who lives much longer. I
> wonder why he is insinuating that? Remember this book was banned in
> libraries across the world. I was talking to my brother yesterday
> about it - what if there is indeed advanced anti-aging medicine out
> there already. All it has to do is stop the DNA from getting damaged.
> Our DNA gets damaged with age mainly because the ends of the strands
> are like plastic-caps on the ends of shoe-laces. They get worn and
> eventually the DNA starts getting damaged.
>
> I have seen some test tube experiments which were pretty close to
> stopping the wear and tear of these DNA ends. These scientists may
> have just been reinventing the wheel without knowing it - such science
> may have been known much longer, even perhaps discovered in an
> amazonian tribe, the tribe genocided to protect the secret which was
> sent back to Europe and handed to the oligarchs. Who knows - put it
> this way - it wouldn't suprise me.

Not Amazonian: Florida was the supposed site of the "fountain of youth"
And all the natives of the islands off the coast of Florida (eg. Cuba)
were genocided soon after discovery.

Ever notice how many world leaders are cremated after their supposed deaths?

Also notice how any research in life extension is ridiculed in the press
and denied funding?

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7. Date: 2007-04-17 06:35:02
Subject: Re: Here's an except from 1984 that is quite striking:
From: Midex <j...@g...com> Search message by this author

On Apr 17, 12:35 am, Patrick <d...@b...com> wrote:
> Midex wrote:
>
> > He is also insinuating that there is a class who lives much longer. I
> > wonder why he is insinuating that? Remember this book was banned in
> > libraries across the world. I was talking to my brother yesterday
> > about it - what if there is indeed advanced anti-aging medicine out
> > there already. All it has to do is stop the DNA from getting damaged.
> > Our DNA gets damaged with age mainly because the ends of the strands
> > are like plastic-caps on the ends of shoe-laces. They get worn and
> > eventually the DNA starts getting damaged.
>
> > I have seen some test tube experiments which were pretty close to
> > stopping the wear and tear of these DNA ends. These scientists may
> > have just been reinventing the wheel without knowing it - such science
> > may have been known much longer, even perhaps discovered in an
> > amazonian tribe, the tribe genocided to protect the secret which was
> > sent back to Europe and handed to the oligarchs. Who knows - put it
> > this way - it wouldn't suprise me.
>
> Not Amazonian: Florida was the supposed site of the "fountain of youth"
> And all the natives of the islands off the coast of Florida (eg. Cuba)
> were genocided soon after discovery.
>
> Ever notice how many world leaders are cremated after their supposed deaths?
>
> Also notice how any research in life extension is ridiculed in the press
> and denied funding?


All I'm saying is that it wouldn't suprise me.

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8. Date: 2007-04-17 06:41:50
Subject: Re: Here's an except from 1984 that is quite striking:
From: "Theo Bekkers" <t...@b...com.au> Search message by this author

Searches headers vainly for alt.conspiracy

Theo

Midex wrote:
> On Apr 17, 12:35 am, Patrick <d...@b...com> wrote:
>> Midex wrote:

>>> I have seen some test tube experiments which were pretty close to
>>> stopping the wear and tear of these DNA ends. These scientists may
>>> have just been reinventing the wheel without knowing it - such
>>> science may have been known much longer, even perhaps discovered in
>>> an amazonian tribe, the tribe genocided to protect the secret which
>>> was sent back to Europe and handed to the oligarchs. Who knows -
>>> put it this way - it wouldn't suprise me.
>>
>> Not Amazonian: Florida was the supposed site of the "fountain of
>> youth"
>> And all the natives of the islands off the coast of Florida (eg.
>> Cuba)
>> were genocided soon after discovery.
>>
>> Ever notice how many world leaders are cremated after their supposed
>> deaths?
>>
>> Also notice how any research in life extension is ridiculed in the
>> press and denied funding?
>
>
> All I'm saying is that it wouldn't suprise me.


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9. Date: 2007-04-17 12:23:35
Subject: Re: Here's an except from 1984 that is quite striking:
From: "Carole" <h...@i...com.au> Search message by this author


<c...@a...com> wrote in message
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>
Here's some more 1984, this time about the Ministry of Truth.

George Orwell's satirical account in 1984 of the 'Ministry of Truth.'
http://www.biblebelievers.org.au/roundone.htm

"This government department spent its time around the clock falsifying the
past. It did so by excising all uncomfortable previous events from the
public record and burning them, and reprinting continuously revised editions
brought up to date in harmony with the latest twist in the political line of
his fictional, but terribly real, in fact, regime."

"The preparation of 'convenient history' has long been a lucrative
undertaking. Besides making an Establishment feel comfortable and secure,
and justifying its policies, it can result in the reflection upon its
authors of official smiles and blessings which converts into such things as
secure and generously paid official and academic posts, and many related
prebends and benefactions.

"Their patrons can also have harnessed to such functionaries' machinery of
favourable publicity, which unwearyingly promotes them and their works as
paragons of veracity and literary brilliance, while showering them with
prizes, awards and dazzling distinctions.

"Official accounts become the political Scriptures of powerful interest
groups, and are repeated unceasingly in the Establishment mass
communications media, while being assiduously log-rolled in the upper levels
of the 'academic' watchdogs of the intellect' leading to additional
veneration.

"The sanctified official chroniclers prefer to ignore inconvenient history
and generally behave as though it never was written. If any of it manages to
break through to their consciousness, they may stare at the producers of
these uncomfortable and abrasive accounts in their sedate and chilly hauteur
and sniff imperiously while dismissing the product with a casual and
patronising wave of a frill-cuffed hand, as 'pseudo scholarship,' an ad
hominem ploy to reassure the believers, and those who want to believe,
alike, that they need not fear as to the rectitude and solidity of their
established corner.

How perfectly this observation illustrates the allies' propagandists of the
present day as cur-like they swallow 'convenient history' only to defecate
it hours later in the face of their own. There have been many other wars
since the 'world war'. The latest being the war on Iraq. Again this victim
country was vilified for its 'weapons of mass destruction' (a refreshing
change from gas chamber allegations). It too was said to be a threat to the
world and/or freedom; mix as you wish. It also (yawn) was an 'exporter of
terrorism' and much else.

Perhaps people are finally waking up to the duplicitous nature of their
rulers, many of whom with shadowy interests they have no inkling of. This
will leave only those who fall into the category: 'Convince a fool against
their will; they'll hold the same opinions still.'

Why on earth do otherwise intelligent people, knowing their rulers have lied
about every conflict they have engaged themselves in convince themselves
they are told the truth about World War Two?

Is it because the truth is too awful to confront; that we prefer the comfort
of self-deception? Round One to the Barbarians will be an enlightening
experience. Those of weaker disposition may prefer to self delude themselves
with the victors' propaganda.

Carole
http://www.conspiracee.com






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10. Date: 2007-04-17 23:07:30
Subject: Re: Here's an except from 1984 that is quite striking:
From: imorf <i...@i...com.au> Search message by this author

Carole wrote:

> George Orwell's satirical account in 1984 of the 'Ministry of Truth.'
> http://www.biblebelievers.org.au/roundone.htm

for anyone that is interested "1984" is being read out on Radio National
or 702 at around 11.30pm (each night?).
He hasn't met Julia (?) yet, so they can't be that far into it.

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