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1. Date: 2008-11-20 03:48:44
Subject: Re: How your government can tackle AGW and other big problems: do nothing except gaze at its own navel, to avoid upsetting the Free-Market nuts
From: "nbzoo" <n...@...com> Search message by this author


"john fernbach" <f...@y...com> wrote in message
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> That's the whole purpose of having a government in the first place,
> isn't it?
>
> To do nothing much in times of national need?

Thankfully doing nothing in times of mass hysteria over alleged global
warming.



Warmest Regards

Bonzo


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2. Date: 2008-11-20 16:09:10
Subject: Re: How your government can tackle AGW and other big problems: do nothing except gaze at its own navel, to avoid upsetting the Free-Market nuts
From: "V for Vendicar" <E...@h...com> Search message by this author

Here are the global average temperatures since 1958. "o" = trend line.

Look at all those "o"'s lined up there. The trend is up, Up, UP.

And most recently the rate of increase is about 2'C per century.

View with mono spaced font.

1958 14.08 *******o***************
1959 14.06 ********o************
1960 13.99 *********o******
1961 14.08 **********o************
1962 14.04 ***********o********
1963 14.08 ************o**********
1964 13.79 **===========o
1965 13.89 *********====o
1966 13.97 **************o
1967 14.00 ***************o*
1968 13.96 **************==o
1969 14.08 *****************o*****
1970 14.03 ******************o
1971 13.90 **********=========o
1972 14.00 *****************===o
1973 14.14 ********************o******
1974 13.92 ***********==========o
1975 13.95 *************=========o
1976 13.84 ******=================o
1977 14.13 ************************o*
1978 14.02 ******************=======o
1979 14.09 ***********************===o
1980 14.18 ***************************o**
1981 14.27 ****************************o*******
1982 14.05 ********************========o
1983 14.26 *****************************o*****
1984 14.09 ***********************=======o
1985 14.06 *********************==========o
1986 14.13 **************************======o
1987 14.27 *********************************o**
1988 14.31 **********************************o****
1989 14.19 ******************************=====o
1990 14.38 ************************************o*******
1991 14.35 ************************************o****
1992 14.12 *************************============o
1993 14.14 ****************************===========o
1994 14.24 **********************************=====o
1995 14.38 ****************************************o***
1996 14.30 **************************************===o
1997 14.40 ******************************************o**
1998 14.57 *******************************************o********
*****
1999 14.33 ****************************************===o
2000 14.33 ****************************************====o
2001 14.48 *********************************************o*****
2002 14.56 **********************************************o*****
****
2003 14.55 ***********************************************o****
***
2004 14.49 ************************************************o**
2005 14.62 *************************************************o**
********
2006 14.54 **************************************************o*
***
2007 14.56 ***************************************************o
*****
-------------------------------------------> Temperature

Correlation Coefficient .8529209

Source NASAS ->
http://data.giss.nasa.gov:80/gistemp/tabledata/GLB.T
s+dSST.txt

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5VMu14mBXAs





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3. Date: 2008-11-20 20:20:04
Subject: Re: How your government can tackle AGW and other big problems: do nothing except gaze at its own navel, to avoid upsetting the Free-Market nuts
From: john fernbach <f...@y...com> Search message by this author

On Nov 19, 10:48 pm, "nbzoo" <n...@...com> wrote:

> "john fernbach" <f...@y...com> wrote in message
>
> news:624274a3-ca44-4968-bd12-eebb05b881ab@t2g2000yqm
.googlegroups.com...
>
> > That's the whole purpose of having a government in the first place,
> > isn't it?
>
> > To do nothing much in times of national need?
>

> Thankfully doing nothing in times of mass hysteria over alleged global
> warming.

Bozo, I clearly disagree with you over whether trying to avert AGW
reflects "mass hysteria." I think you're lying like hell about that.
But I really was trying to make a bigger point regarding government
and its role.

Peter Franks, judging from his recent post, seems to think that the
first task of government, when confronted with a national emergency
(say, the current meltdown of the financial markets, for example),
should be to reform itself -- to make sure that the government itself
is clean & pure, and never mind about the national emergency.

I'd like to submit, as respectfully as I can, that this is basically a
stupid proposition. Regardless of how one feels about AGW and the
obscenely enormous CO2 emissions of the fossil fuel industries.

The preamble to the U.S. Constitution states that among the chief
purposes of government is preserving and advancing the "general
welfare." It doesn't state that one of the main purposes of
government is the perfection of its own internal purity.

Of course the Free Market fundamentalists disagree, since y'all seem
to look on the "Invisible Hand of the Market" as being close to the
Will of God. [If you're a Christian, Jew or Muslim, I think this free
market worship should count as a kind of "idolatry" -- but hey, who's
counting?]

But most people who pay lots of taxes to the government, although we
grumble about, expect it to do something positive with our damned
money. Right now, a government fix for what ails the financial
markets and the larger economy would be a treat.

For the government to engage in agonies of self-criticism and self-
perfection in order to turn itself into the political equivalent of a
jeweled Russian Easter Egg, a nearly flawless object of surpassing
esthetic appeal, seems pretty much irrelevant.

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