Re: "I don't remember that bathroom scene at all."

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1. Date: 2008-10-04 06:21:46
Subject: Re: "I don't remember that bathroom scene at all."
From: "Bill Reid" <h...@h...net> Search message by this author

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> Stanley Kubrick: An Indoor-Plumbing Luddite
> by Stephanie Morgan

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> In "2001: A Space Odyssey," the bathroom makes one brief, but
> important appearance.

Wrong. Dave Bowman, PhD, enters a bathroom and encounters
his middle-aged self in the mirror. Also, Heywood Floyd, PhD, is
stymied in his attempt to communicate a message to adults because
his daughter's baby-sitter has "gone to bathroom".

As I've said before many times, the theme of ALL Kubrick movies is:

"The inability of man's intelligence to overcome his animal instincts."

The bathroom is a central unifying image of almost all Kubrick movies
to explicate that theme. The animal instinct to squat and pass stool, as
part of the process of life (and ultimately death), is a metaphor for the
animal nature of man.

When Dave Bowman, PhD, first encounters his own animal aging
process in the bathroom, he appears shocked. The bathroom is used
consistently throughout Kubrick's movies as a shocking reminder of
the mortality, brutality, and animalistic nature of man, and that nature
is consistently shown to overwhelm any nobler intellectual aspirations
of mankind.

Other than these corrections, I basically agree with the article, since
it basically agrees with me.

> On the way to the space station, a passenger
> stops to survey the bathroom instructions on the wall. Deeming them
> far too complicated, he walks away from the whole matter.

That's not what happened. He was completely focused on the
instructions, applying the full weight of his PhD intellect, in order
to successfully pass stool...come on, when you gotta go, you
gotta go, nobody "walks away"...maybe I DON'T agree with
this stupid article...

Bottom line, in Kubrick's imagery and metaphor:

bathroom = death

This was most clearly seen in "Lolita", "Dr. Strangelove", "2001",
"The Shining", "Full Metal Jacket", and "Eyes Wide Shut", but is
also true of the other few remaining movies as well...

---
William Ernest "Let's All Go" Reid

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2. Date: 2008-10-05 18:33:51
Subject: Re: "I don't remember that bathroom scene at all."
From: BuffetHater <B...@g...com> Search message by this author

> William Ernest "Let's All Go" Reid

Weed is pissed. At his latest visit to the local gay bar no one
offered to
push in his stool.

BTW, as that great humanitarian Lubow explained, many of your deep
homosexual ilk have hatred for and by their mothers. Maybe if you
got treatment for that deep resentment and rejection by your mommy,
you can stop being a hostile queer and get downgraded to a Pansy.

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3. Date: 2008-10-06 15:58:44
Subject: Re: "I don't remember that bathroom scene at all."
From: kelpzoidzl <k...@g...com> Search message by this author

On Oct 3, 11:21 pm, "Bill Reid" <h...@h...net> wrote:

>
> When Dave Bowman, PhD, first encounters his own animal aging
> process in the bathroom, he appears shocked. The bathroom is used
> consistently throughout Kubrick's movies as a shocking reminder of
> the mortality, brutality, and animalistic nature of man, and that nature
> is consistently shown to overwhelm any nobler intellectual aspirations
> of mankind.
>

> ---
> William Ernest "Let's All Go" Reid

And yet at the end there is a transformation, indicating something
more then animality, brutality and mortality.

dc