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Yes, Global Warming "Is Just Propaganda"
Nigel Calder
October 4 2008
QUOTE: But the key fact is that, despite that indisputable increase of
CO2 in the air, the Earth is no warmer now than it was 12 years ago.
Besides being a former editor of New Scientist, Nigel Calder has written
three books on climate change. His latest is The Chilling Stars (Icon
Books) co-authored with the Danish physicist Henrik Svensmark and
described by The Times as 'the new totem of the climate-change
sceptics'.
Worldwide interest in my quite run-of-the-mill comment, on the need to
debate the manmade global warming hypothesis, is pleasing but not
surprising. It confirms that my fellow science writers have
miscalculated badly. Most readers don't want endless scare stories about
climatic doom, accompanied by authoritarian lectures about their carbon
footprints. They're hungry for a variety of opinions.
Unfortunately only 1% of the huge number of articles on climate change
in the posh London newspapers deviate from the official line of the
IPCC. That's not my reckoning. It comes from researchers at Oxford
University who complain about the more balanced reporting in the
not-so-posh papers, with a deviancy rate of 23%. They say it has 'skewed
public understanding of human contributions to climate change'. In other
words, kindly abandon the journalistic principle that different points
of views should be heard on controversial matters, or else a lot of
dreadful people out there (you or me) may not truly believe that climate
change is their fault.
Yes, you've got it. Man-made global warming is just propaganda. My
father Ritchie Calder was a science writer too, but during the Second
World War he played a leading part in Allied propaganda against Nazi
Germany. He told me quite a lot about the tricks, employed in what was
then a good cause. Now I watch them being used every day by the global
wamers.
For example: exaggerate small facts. A brilliant wartime example came
when someone in occupied Belgium was chalking V on public walls. He
meant V for Vrijheid, or freedom. But London announced that in occupied
Europe people were writing V for Victory everywhere. So people listening
secretly to the BBC went out and did just that, to annoy the Germans and
hearten their neighbours.
The polar bears qualify as a similarly astute exaggeration from the
global warming camp. Some years ago, a small family of bears was caught
in a violent storm, and drowned. That could have happened a hundred or a
thousand years ago. But no, the Disneyesque sob story is put about, by
Al Gore and others, that bears are drowning because the Arctic ice is
melting. Total rubbish, because the polar bears are thriving. But it's
dazzling propaganda.
Another technique is to hush up unfavourable news. In wartime that can
mean not informing even the bereaved relatives if an important warship
has sunk without the enemy knowing. Again the polar ice provides a
modern parallel. Last year you were told - shock, horror! -- that Arctic
sea ice was at its lowest extent since satellite measurements began.
What went unreported was that Antarctic sea ice was simultaneously at a
record high. The collusion of my fellow journalists in the deception is
disturbing. Although the big freeze in Antarctica was plainly announced
in a press release from the US weather bureau, NOAA, not a single
newspaper in North America or Europe carried this unfavourable story.
My Dad's chief opponent was Hitler's propaganda minister Josef Goebbels.
Among many meditations on his craft, he wrote, 'The English follow the
principle that when you lie, you should lie big, and stick to it.' And
of course Goebbels did the same himself - most wickedly in the case of
the Jews.
One big lie about climate change is that man-made global warming is
proven scientifically. Not so. On the contrary, any objective physicist
would say that the evidence is strongly against it. The very mechanism
for the supposed greenhouse warming, reinforced by that extra CO2,
requires tropical air temperatures to rise faster at high altitudes (6
miles above the ground) than they do lower down. Weather balloons that
routinely carry thermometers to those heights and beyond have shown no
such trend over recent decades.
That negative result was an important element of what I had in mind when
remarking, in my comment last Monday, that the scientific evidence is
far stronger for a rival explanation of climate change. It's the
discovery that the Sun controls the cosmic rays that help to make the
Earth's clouds. The supporting observations and experiments are
explained in simple terms by Dr Henrik Svensmark and me in our book The
Chilling Stars.
The biggest lie of all, breathtaking in its audacity, is the insistence
that mankind's misbehaviour means that global warming is getting worse.
The measurements for August 2008 are just in, and they confirm the world
is distinctly cooler this year than last. It's fair enough to argue
about whether the Earth's temperature has stopped rising, or merely
paused, or gone into reverse.
But the key fact is that, despite that indisputable increase of CO2 in
the air, the Earth is no warmer now than it was 12 years ago.
http://co2sceptics.com/news.php?id=1906
--
Warmest Regards
Bonzo
"IPCC staff is working feverishly on a theory that supports global
cooling as proof of global warming. Stay tuned." Addison Gardner
On Oct 6, 3:00 am, "ozobn" <o...@y...com> wrote:
> Yes, Global Warming "Is Just Propaganda"
>
> Nigel Calder
>
> October 4 2008
>
> QUOTE: But the key fact is that, despite that indisputable increase of
> CO2 in the air, the Earth is no warmer now than it was 12 years ago.
>
> Besides being a former editor of New Scientist, Nigel Calder has written
> three books on climate change. His latest is The Chilling Stars (Icon
> Books) co-authored with the Danish physicist Henrik Svensmark and
> described by The Times as 'the new totem of the climate-change
> sceptics'.
>
> Worldwide interest in my quite run-of-the-mill comment, on the need to
> debate the manmade global warming hypothesis, is pleasing but not
> surprising. It confirms that my fellow science writers have
> miscalculated badly. Most readers don't want endless scare stories about
> climatic doom, accompanied by authoritarian lectures about their carbon
> footprints. They're hungry for a variety of opinions.
>
> Unfortunately only 1% of the huge number of articles on climate change
> in the posh London newspapers deviate from the official line of the
> IPCC. That's not my reckoning. It comes from researchers at Oxford
> University who complain about the more balanced reporting in the
> not-so-posh papers, with a deviancy rate of 23%. They say it has 'skewed
> public understanding of human contributions to climate change'. In other
> words, kindly abandon the journalistic principle that different points
> of views should be heard on controversial matters, or else a lot of
> dreadful people out there (you or me) may not truly believe that climate
> change is their fault.
>
> Yes, you've got it. Man-made global warming is just propaganda. My
> father Ritchie Calder was a science writer too, but during the Second
> World War he played a leading part in Allied propaganda against Nazi
> Germany. He told me quite a lot about the tricks, employed in what was
> then a good cause. Now I watch them being used every day by the global
> wamers.
>
> For example: exaggerate small facts. A brilliant wartime example came
> when someone in occupied Belgium was chalking V on public walls. He
> meant V for Vrijheid, or freedom. But London announced that in occupied
> Europe people were writing V for Victory everywhere. So people listening
> secretly to the BBC went out and did just that, to annoy the Germans and
> hearten their neighbours.
>
> The polar bears qualify as a similarly astute exaggeration from the
> global warming camp. Some years ago, a small family of bears was caught
> in a violent storm, and drowned. That could have happened a hundred or a
> thousand years ago. But no, the Disneyesque sob story is put about, by
> Al Gore and others, that bears are drowning because the Arctic ice is
> melting. Total rubbish, because the polar bears are thriving. But it's
> dazzling propaganda.
>
> Another technique is to hush up unfavourable news. In wartime that can
> mean not informing even the bereaved relatives if an important warship
> has sunk without the enemy knowing. Again the polar ice provides a
> modern parallel. Last year you were told - shock, horror! -- that Arctic
> sea ice was at its lowest extent since satellite measurements began.
> What went unreported was that Antarctic sea ice was simultaneously at a
> record high. The collusion of my fellow journalists in the deception is
> disturbing. Although the big freeze in Antarctica was plainly announced
> in a press release from the US weather bureau, NOAA, not a single
> newspaper in North America or Europe carried this unfavourable story.
>
> My Dad's chief opponent was Hitler's propaganda minister Josef Goebbels.
> Among many meditations on his craft, he wrote, 'The English follow the
> principle that when you lie, you should lie big, and stick to it.' And
> of course Goebbels did the same himself - most wickedly in the case of
> the Jews.
>
> One big lie about climate change is that man-made global warming is
> proven scientifically. Not so. On the contrary, any objective physicist
> would say that the evidence is strongly against it. The very mechanism
> for the supposed greenhouse warming, reinforced by that extra CO2,
> requires tropical air temperatures to rise faster at high altitudes (6
> miles above the ground) than they do lower down. Weather balloons that
> routinely carry thermometers to those heights and beyond have shown no
> such trend over recent decades.
>
> That negative result was an important element of what I had in mind when
> remarking, in my comment last Monday, that the scientific evidence is
> far stronger for a rival explanation of climate change. It's the
> discovery that the Sun controls the cosmic rays that help to make the
> Earth's clouds. The supporting observations and experiments are
> explained in simple terms by Dr Henrik Svensmark and me in our book The
> Chilling Stars.
>
> The biggest lie of all, breathtaking in its audacity, is the insistence
> that mankind's misbehaviour means that global warming is getting worse.
> The measurements for August 2008 are just in, and they confirm the world
> is distinctly cooler this year than last. It's fair enough to argue
> about whether the Earth's temperature has stopped rising, or merely
> paused, or gone into reverse.
>
> But the key fact is that, despite that indisputable increase of CO2 in
> the air, the Earth is no warmer now than it was 12 years ago.
>
> http://co2sceptics.com/news.php?id=1906
> --
>
> Warmest Regards
>
> Bonzo
>
> "IPCC staff is working feverishly on a theory that supports global
> cooling as proof of global warming. Stay tuned." Addison Gardner
I believe that CO2 has risen due to the higher sea temperatures
these are now falling and the rate of rise of CO2 is showing signs of
falling.
If the sea temperature falls further by about twice as much as it has
this year then the rise in CO2 will go into reverse.
That should kill AGW and Roger Coppock will have to eat crow.
"chemist" <t...@n...com> wrote in message
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On Oct 6, 3:00 am, "ozobn" <o...@y...com> wrote:
> Yes, Global Warming "Is Just Propaganda"
> Nigel Calder
>
> October 4 2008
> QUOTE: But the key fact is that, despite that indisputable increase of
> CO2 in the air, the Earth is no warmer now than it was 12 years ago.
>
Quite so. His grandfather from years back during the war was involved in
deceiving the Germans about where the Invasion was going to take place.
Saved thousands of lives. The whole family seems to be involved in clever
practical ideas, and debunking 'beliefs'. Scotsmen....again.
On Oct 6, 9:05 am, "Stan Pierce" <e...@b...net.au> wrote:
> "chemist" <t...@n...com> wrote in message
>
> news:ac65c0b6-2abe-43b1-a534-afe6a6186f54@8g2000hse.
googlegroups.com...
> On Oct 6, 3:00 am, "ozobn" <o...@y...com> wrote:
>
> > Yes, Global Warming "Is Just Propaganda"
> > Nigel Calder
>
> > October 4 2008
> > QUOTE: But the key fact is that, despite that indisputable increase of
> > CO2 in the air, the Earth is no warmer now than it was 12 years ago.
But the earth is warmer than it was 11 years ago and is also warmer
than it was 13 years ago. 2 trumps 1, you know.
Not enough, you say? OK the world is warmer now than it was 50,
49,48, 47, 47, and all in between down to 20, 19, 18, 17, 16, 15, 14,
13 years ago.
> Quite so. His grandfather from years back during the war was involved in
> deceiving the Germans about where the Invasion was going to take place.
> Saved thousands of lives. The whole family seems to be involved in clever
> practical ideas, and debunking 'beliefs'. Scotsmen....again.
So they are good at pulling the wool over the eyes of the gullible. Is
that any recommendation as an approach to science.
"chemist" <t...@n...com> wrote in message
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On Oct 6, 3:00 am, "ozobn" <o...@y...com> wrote:
> Yes, Global Warming "Is Just Propaganda"
>
> Nigel Calder
>
> October 4 2008
>
> QUOTE: But the key fact is that, despite that indisputable increase of
> CO2 in the air, the Earth is no warmer now than it was 12 years ago.
>
> Besides being a former editor of New Scientist, Nigel Calder has written
> three books on climate change. His latest is The Chilling Stars (Icon
> Books) co-authored with the Danish physicist Henrik Svensmark and
> described by The Times as 'the new totem of the climate-change
> sceptics'.
>
> Worldwide interest in my quite run-of-the-mill comment, on the need to
> debate the manmade global warming hypothesis, is pleasing but not
> surprising. It confirms that my fellow science writers have
> miscalculated badly. Most readers don't want endless scare stories about
> climatic doom, accompanied by authoritarian lectures about their carbon
> footprints. They're hungry for a variety of opinions.
>
> Unfortunately only 1% of the huge number of articles on climate change
> in the posh London newspapers deviate from the official line of the
> IPCC. That's not my reckoning. It comes from researchers at Oxford
> University who complain about the more balanced reporting in the
> not-so-posh papers, with a deviancy rate of 23%. They say it has 'skewed
> public understanding of human contributions to climate change'. In other
> words, kindly abandon the journalistic principle that different points
> of views should be heard on controversial matters, or else a lot of
> dreadful people out there (you or me) may not truly believe that climate
> change is their fault.
>
> Yes, you've got it. Man-made global warming is just propaganda. My
> father Ritchie Calder was a science writer too, but during the Second
> World War he played a leading part in Allied propaganda against Nazi
> Germany. He told me quite a lot about the tricks, employed in what was
> then a good cause. Now I watch them being used every day by the global
> wamers.
>
> For example: exaggerate small facts. A brilliant wartime example came
> when someone in occupied Belgium was chalking V on public walls. He
> meant V for Vrijheid, or freedom. But London announced that in occupied
> Europe people were writing V for Victory everywhere. So people listening
> secretly to the BBC went out and did just that, to annoy the Germans and
> hearten their neighbours.
>
> The polar bears qualify as a similarly astute exaggeration from the
> global warming camp. Some years ago, a small family of bears was caught
> in a violent storm, and drowned. That could have happened a hundred or a
> thousand years ago. But no, the Disneyesque sob story is put about, by
> Al Gore and others, that bears are drowning because the Arctic ice is
> melting. Total rubbish, because the polar bears are thriving. But it's
> dazzling propaganda.
>
> Another technique is to hush up unfavourable news. In wartime that can
> mean not informing even the bereaved relatives if an important warship
> has sunk without the enemy knowing. Again the polar ice provides a
> modern parallel. Last year you were told - shock, horror! -- that Arctic
> sea ice was at its lowest extent since satellite measurements began.
> What went unreported was that Antarctic sea ice was simultaneously at a
> record high. The collusion of my fellow journalists in the deception is
> disturbing. Although the big freeze in Antarctica was plainly announced
> in a press release from the US weather bureau, NOAA, not a single
> newspaper in North America or Europe carried this unfavourable story.
>
> My Dad's chief opponent was Hitler's propaganda minister Josef Goebbels.
> Among many meditations on his craft, he wrote, 'The English follow the
> principle that when you lie, you should lie big, and stick to it.' And
> of course Goebbels did the same himself - most wickedly in the case of
> the Jews.
>
> One big lie about climate change is that man-made global warming is
> proven scientifically. Not so. On the contrary, any objective physicist
> would say that the evidence is strongly against it. The very mechanism
> for the supposed greenhouse warming, reinforced by that extra CO2,
> requires tropical air temperatures to rise faster at high altitudes (6
> miles above the ground) than they do lower down. Weather balloons that
> routinely carry thermometers to those heights and beyond have shown no
> such trend over recent decades.
>
> That negative result was an important element of what I had in mind when
> remarking, in my comment last Monday, that the scientific evidence is
> far stronger for a rival explanation of climate change. It's the
> discovery that the Sun controls the cosmic rays that help to make the
> Earth's clouds. The supporting observations and experiments are
> explained in simple terms by Dr Henrik Svensmark and me in our book The
> Chilling Stars.
>
> The biggest lie of all, breathtaking in its audacity, is the insistence
> that mankind's misbehaviour means that global warming is getting worse.
> The measurements for August 2008 are just in, and they confirm the world
> is distinctly cooler this year than last. It's fair enough to argue
> about whether the Earth's temperature has stopped rising, or merely
> paused, or gone into reverse.
>
> But the key fact is that, despite that indisputable increase of CO2 in
> the air, the Earth is no warmer now than it was 12 years ago.
>
> http://co2sceptics.com/news.php?id=1906
> --
>
> Warmest Regards
>
> Bonzo
>
> "IPCC staff is working feverishly on a theory that supports global
> cooling as proof of global warming. Stay tuned." Addison Gardner
I believe that CO2 has risen due to the higher sea temperatures
these are now falling and the rate of rise of CO2 is showing signs of
falling.
If the sea temperature falls further by about twice as much as it has
this year then the rise in CO2 will go into reverse.
That should kill AGW and Roger Coppock will have to eat crow.
*********************************************
Jesus H Christ.
a) Do some maths.
b) Read some science.
http://blogs.nature.com/climatefeedback/2008/09/annu
al_carbon_budget_were_all_1.html
On Oct 6, 5:17 pm, "DeadFrog" <D...@V...net> wrote:
> "chemist" <t...@n...com> wrote in message
>
> news:ac65c0b6-2abe-43b1-a534-afe6a6186f54@8g2000hse.
googlegroups.com...
> On Oct 6, 3:00 am, "ozobn" <o...@y...com> wrote:
>
>
>
> > Yes, Global Warming "Is Just Propaganda"
>
> > Nigel Calder
>
> > October 4 2008
>
> > QUOTE: But the key fact is that, despite that indisputable increase of
> > CO2 in the air, the Earth is no warmer now than it was 12 years ago.
>
> > Besides being a former editor of New Scientist, Nigel Calder has written
> > three books on climate change. His latest is The Chilling Stars (Icon
> > Books) co-authored with the Danish physicist Henrik Svensmark and
> > described by The Times as 'the new totem of the climate-change
> > sceptics'.
>
> > Worldwide interest in my quite run-of-the-mill comment, on the need to
> > debate the manmade global warming hypothesis, is pleasing but not
> > surprising. It confirms that my fellow science writers have
> > miscalculated badly. Most readers don't want endless scare stories about
> > climatic doom, accompanied by authoritarian lectures about their carbon
> > footprints. They're hungry for a variety of opinions.
>
> > Unfortunately only 1% of the huge number of articles on climate change
> > in the posh London newspapers deviate from the official line of the
> > IPCC. That's not my reckoning. It comes from researchers at Oxford
> > University who complain about the more balanced reporting in the
> > not-so-posh papers, with a deviancy rate of 23%. They say it has 'skewed
> > public understanding of human contributions to climate change'. In other
> > words, kindly abandon the journalistic principle that different points
> > of views should be heard on controversial matters, or else a lot of
> > dreadful people out there (you or me) may not truly believe that climate
> > change is their fault.
>
> > Yes, you've got it. Man-made global warming is just propaganda. My
> > father Ritchie Calder was a science writer too, but during the Second
> > World War he played a leading part in Allied propaganda against Nazi
> > Germany. He told me quite a lot about the tricks, employed in what was
> > then a good cause. Now I watch them being used every day by the global
> > wamers.
>
> > For example: exaggerate small facts. A brilliant wartime example came
> > when someone in occupied Belgium was chalking V on public walls. He
> > meant V for Vrijheid, or freedom. But London announced that in occupied
> > Europe people were writing V for Victory everywhere. So people listening
> > secretly to the BBC went out and did just that, to annoy the Germans and
> > hearten their neighbours.
>
> > The polar bears qualify as a similarly astute exaggeration from the
> > global warming camp. Some years ago, a small family of bears was caught
> > in a violent storm, and drowned. That could have happened a hundred or a
> > thousand years ago. But no, the Disneyesque sob story is put about, by
> > Al Gore and others, that bears are drowning because the Arctic ice is
> > melting. Total rubbish, because the polar bears are thriving. But it's
> > dazzling propaganda.
>
> > Another technique is to hush up unfavourable news. In wartime that can
> > mean not informing even the bereaved relatives if an important warship
> > has sunk without the enemy knowing. Again the polar ice provides a
> > modern parallel. Last year you were told - shock, horror! -- that Arctic
> > sea ice was at its lowest extent since satellite measurements began.
> > What went unreported was that Antarctic sea ice was simultaneously at a
> > record high. The collusion of my fellow journalists in the deception is
> > disturbing. Although the big freeze in Antarctica was plainly announced
> > in a press release from the US weather bureau, NOAA, not a single
> > newspaper in North America or Europe carried this unfavourable story.
>
> > My Dad's chief opponent was Hitler's propaganda minister Josef Goebbels.
> > Among many meditations on his craft, he wrote, 'The English follow the
> > principle that when you lie, you should lie big, and stick to it.' And
> > of course Goebbels did the same himself - most wickedly in the case of
> > the Jews.
>
> > One big lie about climate change is that man-made global warming is
> > proven scientifically. Not so. On the contrary, any objective physicist
> > would say that the evidence is strongly against it. The very mechanism
> > for the supposed greenhouse warming, reinforced by that extra CO2,
> > requires tropical air temperatures to rise faster at high altitudes (6
> > miles above the ground) than they do lower down. Weather balloons that
> > routinely carry thermometers to those heights and beyond have shown no
> > such trend over recent decades.
>
> > That negative result was an important element of what I had in mind when
> > remarking, in my comment last Monday, that the scientific evidence is
> > far stronger for a rival explanation of climate change. It's the
> > discovery that the Sun controls the cosmic rays that help to make the
> > Earth's clouds. The supporting observations and experiments are
> > explained in simple terms by Dr Henrik Svensmark and me in our book The
> > Chilling Stars.
>
> > The biggest lie of all, breathtaking in its audacity, is the insistence
> > that mankind's misbehaviour means that global warming is getting worse.
> > The measurements for August 2008 are just in, and they confirm the world
> > is distinctly cooler this year than last. It's fair enough to argue
> > about whether the Earth's temperature has stopped rising, or merely
> > paused, or gone into reverse.
>
> > But the key fact is that, despite that indisputable increase of CO2 in
> > the air, the Earth is no warmer now than it was 12 years ago.
>
> >http://co2sceptics.com/news.php?id=1906
> > --
>
> > Warmest Regards
>
> > Bonzo
>
> > "IPCC staff is working feverishly on a theory that supports global
> > cooling as proof of global warming. Stay tuned." Addison Gardner
>
> I believe that CO2 has risen due to the higher sea temperatures
Uh, the oceans are gaining CO2, not losing it.
Can't you denialists even get your facts straight? Hello, Google?
> these are now falling and the rate of rise of CO2 is showing signs of
> falling.
> If the sea temperature falls further by about twice as much as it has
> this year then the rise in CO2 will go into reverse.
> That should kill AGW and Roger Coppock will have to eat crow.
> *********************************************
> Jesus H Christ.
> a) Do some maths.
> b) Read some science.http://blogs.nature.com/climatefeedback/2008
/09/annual_carbon_budget_...
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On Oct 6, 5:17 pm, "DeadFrog" <D...@V...net> wrote:
> "chemist" <t...@n...com> wrote in message
>
> news:ac65c0b6-2abe-43b1-a534-afe6a6186f54@8g2000hse.
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> On Oct 6, 3:00 am, "ozobn" <o...@y...com> wrote:
>
>
>
> > Yes, Global Warming "Is Just Propaganda"
>
> > Nigel Calder
>
> > October 4 2008
>
> > QUOTE: But the key fact is that, despite that indisputable increase
> > of
> > CO2 in the air, the Earth is no warmer now than it was 12 years ago.
>
> > Besides being a former editor of New Scientist, Nigel Calder has
> > written
> > three books on climate change. His latest is The Chilling Stars
> > (Icon
> > Books) co-authored with the Danish physicist Henrik Svensmark and
> > described by The Times as 'the new totem of the climate-change
> > sceptics'.
>
> > Worldwide interest in my quite run-of-the-mill comment, on the need
> > to
> > debate the manmade global warming hypothesis, is pleasing but not
> > surprising. It confirms that my fellow science writers have
> > miscalculated badly. Most readers don't want endless scare stories
> > about
> > climatic doom, accompanied by authoritarian lectures about their
> > carbon
> > footprints. They're hungry for a variety of opinions.
>
> > Unfortunately only 1% of the huge number of articles on climate
> > change
> > in the posh London newspapers deviate from the official line of the
> > IPCC. That's not my reckoning. It comes from researchers at Oxford
> > University who complain about the more balanced reporting in the
> > not-so-posh papers, with a deviancy rate of 23%. They say it has
> > 'skewed
> > public understanding of human contributions to climate change'. In
> > other
> > words, kindly abandon the journalistic principle that different
> > points
> > of views should be heard on controversial matters, or else a lot of
> > dreadful people out there (you or me) may not truly believe that
> > climate
> > change is their fault.
>
> > Yes, you've got it. Man-made global warming is just propaganda. My
> > father Ritchie Calder was a science writer too, but during the
> > Second
> > World War he played a leading part in Allied propaganda against Nazi
> > Germany. He told me quite a lot about the tricks, employed in what
> > was
> > then a good cause. Now I watch them being used every day by the
> > global
> > wamers.
>
> > For example: exaggerate small facts. A brilliant wartime example
> > came
> > when someone in occupied Belgium was chalking V on public walls. He
> > meant V for Vrijheid, or freedom. But London announced that in
> > occupied
> > Europe people were writing V for Victory everywhere. So people
> > listening
> > secretly to the BBC went out and did just that, to annoy the Germans
> > and
> > hearten their neighbours.
>
> > The polar bears qualify as a similarly astute exaggeration from the
> > global warming camp. Some years ago, a small family of bears was
> > caught
> > in a violent storm, and drowned. That could have happened a hundred
> > or a
> > thousand years ago. But no, the Disneyesque sob story is put about,
> > by
> > Al Gore and others, that bears are drowning because the Arctic ice
> > is
> > melting. Total rubbish, because the polar bears are thriving. But
> > it's
> > dazzling propaganda.
>
> > Another technique is to hush up unfavourable news. In wartime that
> > can
> > mean not informing even the bereaved relatives if an important
> > warship
> > has sunk without the enemy knowing. Again the polar ice provides a
> > modern parallel. Last year you were told - shock, horror! -- that
> > Arctic
> > sea ice was at its lowest extent since satellite measurements began.
> > What went unreported was that Antarctic sea ice was simultaneously
> > at a
> > record high. The collusion of my fellow journalists in the deception
> > is
> > disturbing. Although the big freeze in Antarctica was plainly
> > announced
> > in a press release from the US weather bureau, NOAA, not a single
> > newspaper in North America or Europe carried this unfavourable
> > story.
>
> > My Dad's chief opponent was Hitler's propaganda minister Josef
> > Goebbels.
> > Among many meditations on his craft, he wrote, 'The English follow
> > the
> > principle that when you lie, you should lie big, and stick to it.'
> > And
> > of course Goebbels did the same himself - most wickedly in the case
> > of
> > the Jews.
>
> > One big lie about climate change is that man-made global warming is
> > proven scientifically. Not so. On the contrary, any objective
> > physicist
> > would say that the evidence is strongly against it. The very
> > mechanism
> > for the supposed greenhouse warming, reinforced by that extra CO2,
> > requires tropical air temperatures to rise faster at high altitudes
> > (6
> > miles above the ground) than they do lower down. Weather balloons
> > that
> > routinely carry thermometers to those heights and beyond have shown
> > no
> > such trend over recent decades.
>
> > That negative result was an important element of what I had in mind
> > when
> > remarking, in my comment last Monday, that the scientific evidence
> > is
> > far stronger for a rival explanation of climate change. It's the
> > discovery that the Sun controls the cosmic rays that help to make
> > the
> > Earth's clouds. The supporting observations and experiments are
> > explained in simple terms by Dr Henrik Svensmark and me in our book
> > The
> > Chilling Stars.
>
> > The biggest lie of all, breathtaking in its audacity, is the
> > insistence
> > that mankind's misbehaviour means that global warming is getting
> > worse.
> > The measurements for August 2008 are just in, and they confirm the
> > world
> > is distinctly cooler this year than last. It's fair enough to argue
> > about whether the Earth's temperature has stopped rising, or merely
> > paused, or gone into reverse.
>
> > But the key fact is that, despite that indisputable increase of CO2
> > in
> > the air, the Earth is no warmer now than it was 12 years ago.
>
> >http://co2sceptics.com/news.php?id=1906
> > --
>
> > Warmest Regards
>
> > Bonzo
>
> > "IPCC staff is working feverishly on a theory that supports global
> > cooling as proof of global warming. Stay tuned." Addison Gardner
>
> I believe that CO2 has risen due to the higher sea temperatures
Uh, the oceans are gaining CO2, not losing it.
******************************************
I presume you have a reference for this wild statement?
Don't keep it to yourself, share it with the rest of us!
--
Warmest Regards
Bonzo
"One thing lefties cannot abide is any hint of Christian religion. New
Age yes, Muslim yes, vague yoga-nistics sure, Mother Earth and soaring
hawks as spiritual messengers absolutely, but Christianity? Not a
chance." Anon
"Lloyd" <l...@e...edu> wrote in message
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On Oct 7, 7:39 pm, "bozno" <b...@...com> wrote:
> "Lloyd" <l...@e...edu> wrote in message
>
> news:f7e35a14-74a6-48f6-8b28-ad2d3dba2a9a@y21g2000hs
f.googlegroups.com...
> On Oct 6, 5:17 pm, "DeadFrog" <D...@V...net> wrote:
>
> > "chemist" <t...@n...com> wrote in message
>
> >news:ac65c0b6-2abe-43b1-a534-afe6a6186f54@8g2000hse
.googlegroups.com...
> > On Oct 6, 3:00 am, "ozobn" <o...@y...com> wrote:
>
> > > Yes, Global Warming "Is Just Propaganda"
>
> > > Nigel Calder
>
> > > October 4 2008
>
> > > QUOTE: But the key fact is that, despite that indisputable
> > > increase
> > > of
> > > CO2 in the air, the Earth is no warmer now than it was 12 years
> > > ago.
>
> > > Besides being a former editor of New Scientist, Nigel Calder has
> > > written
> > > three books on climate change. His latest is The Chilling Stars
> > > (Icon
> > > Books) co-authored with the Danish physicist Henrik Svensmark and
> > > described by The Times as 'the new totem of the climate-change
> > > sceptics'.
>
> > > Worldwide interest in my quite run-of-the-mill comment, on the
> > > need
> > > to
> > > debate the manmade global warming hypothesis, is pleasing but not
> > > surprising. It confirms that my fellow science writers have
> > > miscalculated badly. Most readers don't want endless scare stories
> > > about
> > > climatic doom, accompanied by authoritarian lectures about their
> > > carbon
> > > footprints. They're hungry for a variety of opinions.
>
> > > Unfortunately only 1% of the huge number of articles on climate
> > > change
> > > in the posh London newspapers deviate from the official line of
> > > the
> > > IPCC. That's not my reckoning. It comes from researchers at Oxford
> > > University who complain about the more balanced reporting in the
> > > not-so-posh papers, with a deviancy rate of 23%. They say it has
> > > 'skewed
> > > public understanding of human contributions to climate change'. In
> > > other
> > > words, kindly abandon the journalistic principle that different
> > > points
> > > of views should be heard on controversial matters, or else a lot
> > > of
> > > dreadful people out there (you or me) may not truly believe that
> > > climate
> > > change is their fault.
>
> > > Yes, you've got it. Man-made global warming is just propaganda. My
> > > father Ritchie Calder was a science writer too, but during the
> > > Second
> > > World War he played a leading part in Allied propaganda against
> > > Nazi
> > > Germany. He told me quite a lot about the tricks, employed in what
> > > was
> > > then a good cause. Now I watch them being used every day by the
> > > global
> > > wamers.
>
> > > For example: exaggerate small facts. A brilliant wartime example
> > > came
> > > when someone in occupied Belgium was chalking V on public walls.
> > > He
> > > meant V for Vrijheid, or freedom. But London announced that in
> > > occupied
> > > Europe people were writing V for Victory everywhere. So people
> > > listening
> > > secretly to the BBC went out and did just that, to annoy the
> > > Germans
> > > and
> > > hearten their neighbours.
>
> > > The polar bears qualify as a similarly astute exaggeration from
> > > the
> > > global warming camp. Some years ago, a small family of bears was
> > > caught
> > > in a violent storm, and drowned. That could have happened a
> > > hundred
> > > or a
> > > thousand years ago. But no, the Disneyesque sob story is put
> > > about,
> > > by
> > > Al Gore and others, that bears are drowning because the Arctic ice
> > > is
> > > melting. Total rubbish, because the polar bears are thriving. But
> > > it's
> > > dazzling propaganda.
>
> > > Another technique is to hush up unfavourable news. In wartime that
> > > can
> > > mean not informing even the bereaved relatives if an important
> > > warship
> > > has sunk without the enemy knowing. Again the polar ice provides a
> > > modern parallel. Last year you were told - shock, horror! -- that
> > > Arctic
> > > sea ice was at its lowest extent since satellite measurements
> > > began.
> > > What went unreported was that Antarctic sea ice was simultaneously
> > > at a
> > > record high. The collusion of my fellow journalists in the
> > > deception
> > > is
> > > disturbing. Although the big freeze in Antarctica was plainly
> > > announced
> > > in a press release from the US weather bureau, NOAA, not a single
> > > newspaper in North America or Europe carried this unfavourable
> > > story.
>
> > > My Dad's chief opponent was Hitler's propaganda minister Josef
> > > Goebbels.
> > > Among many meditations on his craft, he wrote, 'The English follow
> > > the
> > > principle that when you lie, you should lie big, and stick to it.'
> > > And
> > > of course Goebbels did the same himself - most wickedly in the
> > > case
> > > of
> > > the Jews.
>
> > > One big lie about climate change is that man-made global warming
> > > is
> > > proven scientifically. Not so. On the contrary, any objective
> > > physicist
> > > would say that the evidence is strongly against it. The very
> > > mechanism
> > > for the supposed greenhouse warming, reinforced by that extra CO2,
> > > requires tropical air temperatures to rise faster at high
> > > altitudes
> > > (6
> > > miles above the ground) than they do lower down. Weather balloons
> > > that
> > > routinely carry thermometers to those heights and beyond have
> > > shown
> > > no
> > > such trend over recent decades.
>
> > > That negative result was an important element of what I had in
> > > mind
> > > when
> > > remarking, in my comment last Monday, that the scientific evidence
> > > is
> > > far stronger for a rival explanation of climate change. It's the
> > > discovery that the Sun controls the cosmic rays that help to make
> > > the
> > > Earth's clouds. The supporting observations and experiments are
> > > explained in simple terms by Dr Henrik Svensmark and me in our
> > > book
> > > The
> > > Chilling Stars.
>
> > > The biggest lie of all, breathtaking in its audacity, is the
> > > insistence
> > > that mankind's misbehaviour means that global warming is getting
> > > worse.
> > > The measurements for August 2008 are just in, and they confirm the
> > > world
> > > is distinctly cooler this year than last. It's fair enough to
> > > argue
> > > about whether the Earth's temperature has stopped rising, or
> > > merely
> > > paused, or gone into reverse.
>
> > > But the key fact is that, despite that indisputable increase of
> > > CO2
> > > in
> > > the air, the Earth is no warmer now than it was 12 years ago.
>
> > >http://co2sceptics.com/news.php?id=1906
> > > --
>
> > > Warmest Regards
>
> > > Bonzo
>
> > > "IPCC staff is working feverishly on a theory that supports global
> > > cooling as proof of global warming. Stay tuned." Addison Gardner
>
> > I believe that CO2 has risen due to the higher sea temperatures
>
> Uh, the oceans are gaining CO2, not losing it.
> ******************************************
>
> I presume you have a reference for this wild statement?
> Don't keep it to yourself, share it with the rest of us!
>
> --
>
> Warmest Regards
>
> Bonzo
>
> "One thing lefties cannot abide is any hint of Christian religion. New
> Age yes, Muslim yes, vague yoga-nistics sure, Mother Earth and soaring
> hawks as spiritual messengers absolutely, but Christianity? Not a
> chance." Anon
"Around half of all carbon dioxide produced by humans since the
industrial revolution has dissolved into the world's oceans--with
adverse effects for marine life--according to two new studies.
****************************************************
**
Did You Know...?
27 Jan 2008
The world's natural wetlands produce more greenhouse gas contributions
annually than all human sources combined.
http://www.geocraft.com/WVFossils/GlobWarmTest/A4a.h
tml
So much for your bunkum statement above!
Warmest Regards
Bonzo
"CO2 variations show little correlation with our planet's climate on
long, medium and even short time scales." R. Timothy Patterson,
Professor Of Geology, Director Ottawa-Carleton Geoscience Center,
Carleton University, Canada000/200001271631.html
On Oct 6, 10:17 pm, "DeadFrog" <D...@V...net> wrote:
> "chemist" <t...@n...com> wrote in message
>
> news:ac65c0b6-2abe-43b1-a534-afe6a6186f54@8g2000hse.
googlegroups.com...
> On Oct 6, 3:00 am, "ozobn" <o...@y...com> wrote:
>
>
>
> > Yes, Global Warming "Is Just Propaganda"
>
> > Nigel Calder
>
> > October 4 2008
>
> > QUOTE: But the key fact is that, despite that indisputable increase of
> > CO2 in the air, the Earth is no warmer now than it was 12 years ago.
>
> > Besides being a former editor of New Scientist, Nigel Calder has written
> > three books on climate change. His latest is The Chilling Stars (Icon
> > Books) co-authored with the Danish physicist Henrik Svensmark and
> > described by The Times as 'the new totem of the climate-change
> > sceptics'.
>
> > Worldwide interest in my quite run-of-the-mill comment, on the need to
> > debate the manmade global warming hypothesis, is pleasing but not
> > surprising. It confirms that my fellow science writers have
> > miscalculated badly. Most readers don't want endless scare stories about
> > climatic doom, accompanied by authoritarian lectures about their carbon
> > footprints. They're hungry for a variety of opinions.
>
> > Unfortunately only 1% of the huge number of articles on climate change
> > in the posh London newspapers deviate from the official line of the
> > IPCC. That's not my reckoning. It comes from researchers at Oxford
> > University who complain about the more balanced reporting in the
> > not-so-posh papers, with a deviancy rate of 23%. They say it has 'skewed
> > public understanding of human contributions to climate change'. In other
> > words, kindly abandon the journalistic principle that different points
> > of views should be heard on controversial matters, or else a lot of
> > dreadful people out there (you or me) may not truly believe that climate
> > change is their fault.
>
> > Yes, you've got it. Man-made global warming is just propaganda. My
> > father Ritchie Calder was a science writer too, but during the Second
> > World War he played a leading part in Allied propaganda against Nazi
> > Germany. He told me quite a lot about the tricks, employed in what was
> > then a good cause. Now I watch them being used every day by the global
> > wamers.
>
> > For example: exaggerate small facts. A brilliant wartime example came
> > when someone in occupied Belgium was chalking V on public walls. He
> > meant V for Vrijheid, or freedom. But London announced that in occupied
> > Europe people were writing V for Victory everywhere. So people listening
> > secretly to the BBC went out and did just that, to annoy the Germans and
> > hearten their neighbours.
>
> > The polar bears qualify as a similarly astute exaggeration from the
> > global warming camp. Some years ago, a small family of bears was caught
> > in a violent storm, and drowned. That could have happened a hundred or a
> > thousand years ago. But no, the Disneyesque sob story is put about, by
> > Al Gore and others, that bears are drowning because the Arctic ice is
> > melting. Total rubbish, because the polar bears are thriving. But it's
> > dazzling propaganda.
>
> > Another technique is to hush up unfavourable news. In wartime that can
> > mean not informing even the bereaved relatives if an important warship
> > has sunk without the enemy knowing. Again the polar ice provides a
> > modern parallel. Last year you were told - shock, horror! -- that Arctic
> > sea ice was at its lowest extent since satellite measurements began.
> > What went unreported was that Antarctic sea ice was simultaneously at a
> > record high. The collusion of my fellow journalists in the deception is
> > disturbing. Although the big freeze in Antarctica was plainly announced
> > in a press release from the US weather bureau, NOAA, not a single
> > newspaper in North America or Europe carried this unfavourable story.
>
> > My Dad's chief opponent was Hitler's propaganda minister Josef Goebbels.
> > Among many meditations on his craft, he wrote, 'The English follow the
> > principle that when you lie, you should lie big, and stick to it.' And
> > of course Goebbels did the same himself - most wickedly in the case of
> > the Jews.
>
> > One big lie about climate change is that man-made global warming is
> > proven scientifically. Not so. On the contrary, any objective physicist
> > would say that the evidence is strongly against it. The very mechanism
> > for the supposed greenhouse warming, reinforced by that extra CO2,
> > requires tropical air temperatures to rise faster at high altitudes (6
> > miles above the ground) than they do lower down. Weather balloons that
> > routinely carry thermometers to those heights and beyond have shown no
> > such trend over recent decades.
>
> > That negative result was an important element of what I had in mind when
> > remarking, in my comment last Monday, that the scientific evidence is
> > far stronger for a rival explanation of climate change. It's the
> > discovery that the Sun controls the cosmic rays that help to make the
> > Earth's clouds. The supporting observations and experiments are
> > explained in simple terms by Dr Henrik Svensmark and me in our book The
> > Chilling Stars.
>
> > The biggest lie of all, breathtaking in its audacity, is the insistence
> > that mankind's misbehaviour means that global warming is getting worse.
> > The measurements for August 2008 are just in, and they confirm the world
> > is distinctly cooler this year than last. It's fair enough to argue
> > about whether the Earth's temperature has stopped rising, or merely
> > paused, or gone into reverse.
>
> > But the key fact is that, despite that indisputable increase of CO2 in
> > the air, the Earth is no warmer now than it was 12 years ago.
>
> >http://co2sceptics.com/news.php?id=1906
> > --
>
> > Warmest Regards
>
> > Bonzo
>
> > "IPCC staff is working feverishly on a theory that supports global
> > cooling as proof of global warming. Stay tuned." Addison Gardner
>
> I believe that CO2 has risen due to the higher sea temperatures
> these are now falling and the rate of rise of CO2 is showing signs of
> falling.
> If the sea temperature falls further by about twice as much as it has
> this year then the rise in CO2 will go into reverse.
> That should kill AGW and Roger Coppock will have to eat crow.
> *********************************************
> Jesus H Christ.
> a) Do some maths.
> b) Read some science.http://blogs.nature.com/climatefeedback/2008
/09/annual_carbon_budget_...
I ve done the maths and I know the science
On Fri, 10 Oct 2008 12:54:38 +1100, "obozn" <o...@...com> wrote:
>
>"Lloyd" <l...@e...edu> wrote in message
>news:00b8ac3a-e322-474e-a193-dfc14624e956@v28g2000h
sv.googlegroups.com...
>On Oct 7, 7:39 pm, "bozno" <b...@...com> wrote:
>> "Lloyd" <l...@e...edu> wrote in message
>>
>> news:f7e35a14-74a6-48f6-8b28-ad2d3dba2a9a@y21g2000hs
f.googlegroups.com...
>> On Oct 6, 5:17 pm, "DeadFrog" <D...@V...net> wrote:
>>
>> > "chemist" <t...@n...com> wrote in message
>>
>> >news:ac65c0b6-2abe-43b1-a534-afe6a6186f54@8g2000hse
.googlegroups.com...
>> > On Oct 6, 3:00 am, "ozobn" <o...@y...com> wrote:
>>
>> > > Yes, Global Warming "Is Just Propaganda"
>>
>> > > Nigel Calder
>>
>> > > October 4 2008
>>
>> > > QUOTE: But the key fact is that, despite that indisputable
>> > > increase
>> > > of
>> > > CO2 in the air, the Earth is no warmer now than it was 12 years
>> > > ago.
>>
>> > > Besides being a former editor of New Scientist, Nigel Calder has
>> > > written
>> > > three books on climate change. His latest is The Chilling Stars
>> > > (Icon
>> > > Books) co-authored with the Danish physicist Henrik Svensmark and
>> > > described by The Times as 'the new totem of the climate-change
>> > > sceptics'.
>>
>> > > Worldwide interest in my quite run-of-the-mill comment, on the
>> > > need
>> > > to
>> > > debate the manmade global warming hypothesis, is pleasing but not
>> > > surprising. It confirms that my fellow science writers have
>> > > miscalculated badly. Most readers don't want endless scare stories
>> > > about
>> > > climatic doom, accompanied by authoritarian lectures about their
>> > > carbon
>> > > footprints. They're hungry for a variety of opinions.
>>
>> > > Unfortunately only 1% of the huge number of articles on climate
>> > > change
>> > > in the posh London newspapers deviate from the official line of
>> > > the
>> > > IPCC. That's not my reckoning. It comes from researchers at Oxford
>> > > University who complain about the more balanced reporting in the
>> > > not-so-posh papers, with a deviancy rate of 23%. They say it has
>> > > 'skewed
>> > > public understanding of human contributions to climate change'. In
>> > > other
>> > > words, kindly abandon the journalistic principle that different
>> > > points
>> > > of views should be heard on controversial matters, or else a lot
>> > > of
>> > > dreadful people out there (you or me) may not truly believe that
>> > > climate
>> > > change is their fault.
>>
>> > > Yes, you've got it. Man-made global warming is just propaganda. My
>> > > father Ritchie Calder was a science writer too, but during the
>> > > Second
>> > > World War he played a leading part in Allied propaganda against
>> > > Nazi
>> > > Germany. He told me quite a lot about the tricks, employed in what
>> > > was
>> > > then a good cause. Now I watch them being used every day by the
>> > > global
>> > > wamers.
>>
>> > > For example: exaggerate small facts. A brilliant wartime example
>> > > came
>> > > when someone in occupied Belgium was chalking V on public walls.
>> > > He
>> > > meant V for Vrijheid, or freedom. But London announced that in
>> > > occupied
>> > > Europe people were writing V for Victory everywhere. So people
>> > > listening
>> > > secretly to the BBC went out and did just that, to annoy the
>> > > Germans
>> > > and
>> > > hearten their neighbours.
>>
>> > > The polar bears qualify as a similarly astute exaggeration from
>> > > the
>> > > global warming camp. Some years ago, a small family of bears was
>> > > caught
>> > > in a violent storm, and drowned. That could have happened a
>> > > hundred
>> > > or a
>> > > thousand years ago. But no, the Disneyesque sob story is put
>> > > about,
>> > > by
>> > > Al Gore and others, that bears are drowning because the Arctic ice
>> > > is
>> > > melting. Total rubbish, because the polar bears are thriving. But
>> > > it's
>> > > dazzling propaganda.
>>
>> > > Another technique is to hush up unfavourable news. In wartime that
>> > > can
>> > > mean not informing even the bereaved relatives if an important
>> > > warship
>> > > has sunk without the enemy knowing. Again the polar ice provides a
>> > > modern parallel. Last year you were told - shock, horror! -- that
>> > > Arctic
>> > > sea ice was at its lowest extent since satellite measurements
>> > > began.
>> > > What went unreported was that Antarctic sea ice was simultaneously
>> > > at a
>> > > record high. The collusion of my fellow journalists in the
>> > > deception
>> > > is
>> > > disturbing. Although the big freeze in Antarctica was plainly
>> > > announced
>> > > in a press release from the US weather bureau, NOAA, not a single
>> > > newspaper in North America or Europe carried this unfavourable
>> > > story.
>>
>> > > My Dad's chief opponent was Hitler's propaganda minister Josef
>> > > Goebbels.
>> > > Among many meditations on his craft, he wrote, 'The English follow
>> > > the
>> > > principle that when you lie, you should lie big, and stick to it.'
>> > > And
>> > > of course Goebbels did the same himself - most wickedly in the
>> > > case
>> > > of
>> > > the Jews.
>>
>> > > One big lie about climate change is that man-made global warming
>> > > is
>> > > proven scientifically. Not so. On the contrary, any objective
>> > > physicist
>> > > would say that the evidence is strongly against it. The very
>> > > mechanism
>> > > for the supposed greenhouse warming, reinforced by that extra CO2,
>> > > requires tropical air temperatures to rise faster at high
>> > > altitudes
>> > > (6
>> > > miles above the ground) than they do lower down. Weather balloons
>> > > that
>> > > routinely carry thermometers to those heights and beyond have
>> > > shown
>> > > no
>> > > such trend over recent decades.
>>
>> > > That negative result was an important element of what I had in
>> > > mind
>> > > when
>> > > remarking, in my comment last Monday, that the scientific evidence
>> > > is
>> > > far stronger for a rival explanation of climate change. It's the
>> > > discovery that the Sun controls the cosmic rays that help to make
>> > > the
>> > > Earth's clouds. The supporting observations and experiments are
>> > > explained in simple terms by Dr Henrik Svensmark and me in our
>> > > book
>> > > The
>> > > Chilling Stars.
>>
>> > > The biggest lie of all, breathtaking in its audacity, is the
>> > > insistence
>> > > that mankind's misbehaviour means that global warming is getting
>> > > worse.
>> > > The measurements for August 2008 are just in, and they confirm the
>> > > world
>> > > is distinctly cooler this year than last. It's fair enough to
>> > > argue
>> > > about whether the Earth's temperature has stopped rising, or
>> > > merely
>> > > paused, or gone into reverse.
>>
>> > > But the key fact is that, despite that indisputable increase of
>> > > CO2
>> > > in
>> > > the air, the Earth is no warmer now than it was 12 years ago.
>>
>> > >http://co2sceptics.com/news.php?id=1906
>> > > --
>>
>> > > Warmest Regards
>>
>> > > Bonzo
>>
>> > > "IPCC staff is working feverishly on a theory that supports global
>> > > cooling as proof of global warming. Stay tuned." Addison Gardner
>>
>> > I believe that CO2 has risen due to the higher sea temperatures
>>
>> Uh, the oceans are gaining CO2, not losing it.
>> ******************************************
>>
>> I presume you have a reference for this wild statement?
>> Don't keep it to yourself, share it with the rest of us!
>>
>> --
>>
>> Warmest Regards
>>
>> Bonzo
>>
>> "One thing lefties cannot abide is any hint of Christian religion. New
>> Age yes, Muslim yes, vague yoga-nistics sure, Mother Earth and soaring
>> hawks as spiritual messengers absolutely, but Christianity? Not a
>> chance." Anon
>"Around half of all carbon dioxide produced by humans since the
>industrial revolution has dissolved into the world's oceans—with
>adverse effects for marine life—according to two new studies.
>***************************************************
***
>
>
>
>Did You Know...?
>
>27 Jan 2008
>
>
>
>The world's natural wetlands produce more greenhouse gas contributions
>annually than all human sources combined.
>
>
>http://www.geocraft.com/WVFossils/GlobWarmTest/A4a.
html
>
>So much for your bunkum statement above!
>
>
>Warmest Regards
>
>Bonzo
>
>"CO2 variations show little correlation with our planet's climate on
>long, medium and even short time scales." R. Timothy Patterson,
>Professor Of Geology, Director Ottawa-Carleton Geoscience Center,
>Carleton University, Canada000/200001271631.html
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What happens to the CO2 in the atmosphere that isnt produced by
humans.
Does that get dissolved in the oceans as well, or are the oceans smart
enuf to only allow human produced CO2 to dissolve in them.
In fact why is there any CO2 in the atmosphere at all.
Why isnt it all dissolved in the oceans.
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