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1. Date: 2008-10-01 08:18:56
Subject: where to put money that isn't a bubble
From: cporro <c...@g...com> Search message by this author

is there a place to put money that isn't a bubble?

hypothetically, lets say we are on the verge of some financial crisis,
where else can a person put money besides stocks and real estate? off
the cuff we have about 63% in home equity at current prices, 37% in
stocks and bonds at current prices.

i have no ideas. anyone want to comment?

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2. Date: 2008-10-01 15:51:05
Subject: Re: where to put money that isn't a bubble
From: h...@g...com Search message by this author

"cporro" <c...@g...com> wrote
> is there a place to put money that isn't a bubble?

How long can you leave the money invested?

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3. Date: 2008-10-01 16:08:18
Subject: Re: where to put money that isn't a bubble
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4. Date: 2008-10-01 16:45:39
Subject: Re: where to put money that isn't a bubble
From: PeterL <p...@g...com> Search message by this author

On Oct 1, 1:18 am, cporro <c...@g...com> wrote:
> is there a place to put money that isn't a bubble?
>
> hypothetically, lets say we are on the verge of some financial crisis,
> where else can a person put money besides stocks and real estate? off
> the cuff we have about 63% in home equity at current prices, 37% in
> stocks and bonds at current prices.
>
> i have no ideas. anyone want to comment?
>

Depending on what kind of financial crisis. Gold is traditionally a
"safe heaven" for crisis times. Besides stocks and real estates,
there is always cash.

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5. Date: 2008-10-02 14:00:29
Subject: Re: where to put money that isn't a bubble
From: FranksPlace2 <F...@g...com> Search message by this author

I am sure there are other sites but Fidelity Investments has a range
of alternatives from dividend paying stocks to cds.

http://personal.fidelity.com/products/incomesolution
s/index_content.shtml.cvsr?bar=c

Frank

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6. Date: 2008-10-02 14:50:29
Subject: Re: where to put money that isn't a bubble
From: Ron Peterson <r...@s...core.com> Search message by this author

On Oct 1, 3:18 am, cporro <c...@g...com> wrote:
> is there a place to put money that isn't a bubble?

That's a hard call to make.

> hypothetically, lets say we are on the verge of some financial crisis,
> where else can a person put money besides stocks and real estate? off
> the cuff we have about 63% in home equity at current prices, 37% in
> stocks and bonds at current prices.

> i have no ideas. anyone want to comment?

The commodity ETFs are a good alternative, but most follow the whims
of the market. Look at DBA, DBC, GLD, SLV, UNG, USO.

--
Ron

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7. Date: 2008-10-03 07:36:31
Subject: Re: where to put money that isn't a bubble
From: cporro <c...@g...com> Search message by this author

ideally the money would be invested for 15-25 years. that makes a lot
of assumptions. their is no current need for it.

the thing that worries me... i feel this country has been going down
the wrong path for some time. is this the culminating event in the
country's inevitable decline? realistically we can't remain a global
superpower forever. will this decline be gentle with a good standard
of living or a harsh event for 10-20 years. i don't know. worse i have
no plan B. i think most everyones plan A is based on good growth in
american stocks, bonds, housing...historically this has been a great
bet.

i am the type of investor that believes in making sound (used to be
called conservative) choices and holds them for long periods of time.
my idea is not to panic and dump my current investments but have a
backup plan.

i've heard that real estate is the typical place for most people to
invest when there is lost confidence in the stock market. but my fear
is the devaluation of the dollar. so would my house, valued in
dollars, be safe?

foreign markets would seem safer...unless they own lots of american
debt.

gold seems like a good idea. has anyone watched the you tube video
"money as debt" ? however, when you start adjusting the price of gold
you'll see (or at least it looks to me) it ain't that cheap.
apparently some other people are worried. this would make me slow to
jump into gold.

good book recs are welcome.

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8. Date: 2008-10-03 07:37:14
Subject: Re: where to put money that isn't a bubble
From: cporro <c...@g...com> Search message by this author

imho these bubbles weren't hard to see. i was listening to npr and
hearing reports of the housing bubble years before the sub prime
"crisis". not to mention if you looked at the way prices were
increasing it was pretty obvious this could not be sustained.

same thing goes for the dot.com. i was here in san francisco in 2000.
just looking around you could tell this thing wasn't sustainable. at
the same time business people were saying it can't go one like this.

when the bubble bursts is another matter. that is hard to figure.

the thing that worries me about the current crisis is we are creating
more money (as debt) and at some point maybe someone will realize we
aren't good for it. we have a 3 trillion war, a 700 billion bailout i
think will pass, a GDP of 13.8T, and debt of 9T? i'm no expert but
this does not look good to me. if you distribute the current debt
among the taxpayers its about 80k. yikes? how do we do it?

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9. Date: 2008-10-03 14:38:25
Subject: Re: where to put money that isn't a bubble
From: anoop <g...@g...com> Search message by this author

On Oct 3, 12:37 am, cporro <c...@g...com> wrote:

> the thing that worries me about the current crisis is we are creating
> more money (as debt) and at some point maybe someone will realize we
> aren't good for it. we have a 3 trillion war, a 700 billion bailout i
> think will pass, a GDP of 13.8T, and debt of 9T?

The debt is already 10T.
http://www.treasurydirect.gov/NP/BPDLogin?applicatio
n=np

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10. Date: 2008-10-03 14:55:08
Subject: Re: where to put money that isn't a bubble
From: "rick++" <r...@h...com> Search message by this author

If in stocks or bonds, where the price is in line
with profits or cash flow. Sometimes prices get
way ahead of these.

Most of the bubbles I'm aware of have been deflating.
One people dont talk about much is medicine.
Its inflating rapidly and consuming a large fraction
of the economy. Thats a danger sign to me.

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